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Christy Glass (she/her): As we're waiting for for folks to join, I just want to let all of our attendees so far, know that you can leave questions.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Please, please contribute questions as the conversation progresses, and we will leave time at the end of our conversation for audience q&a with the panelists so as you see, on the screen, please put your questions in the Q amp a using the Q amp a tab.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And and we'll have time at the end for for questions and comments from with our panelists.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Okay, I think folks are still joining but i'd like to get started, since we have a lot to discuss today and I want to give us plenty of time.

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Christy Glass (she/her): To for conversation with our panelists.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Just an fyi for those who just joined the session is being recorded and we will be archived in US us institutional repository.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And again i'd like to invite attendees to use the Q amp a tab on their screen to to include questions as our conversation moves along and will leave time at the end for Q amp a with our panelists.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Before I introduce today's panelists i'd like to provide a land acknowledgement.

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Christy Glass (she/her): As a land grant institution utah State University and all in state campuses and Senators reside on the territories of the tribes of utah.

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Christy Glass (she/her): who've been living, working and residing on this land from time immemorial, these tribes are the confederate tribes of the goshen Indians Navajo nation.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Indian tribe northwestern fan of show me how you Indian tribe of utah San Juan, southern pie you skull valley band of go shoot and white may set up and up the mountain view.

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Christy Glass (she/her): We acknowledge the historical context behind a painful history of genocide forced removal and dispossession of tribe tribal peoples lands on which us to exists.

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Christy Glass (she/her): We acknowledge these land on which we gather carry the stories of these nations and their struggle for survival and identity, we recognize elders past and present as peoples who cared for and continue to care for the land.

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Christy Glass (she/her): In offering this land acknowledgement we affirm indigenous sovereignty history experiences and resilience of the native people who are still here today.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Now i'm so pleased to introduce today's panelists and i'm so grateful for our panelists willingness to join us today as part of our intersections on inclusion series.

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Christy Glass (she/her): rhonda build muscle is a PhD student in sociology, with a focus on social inequality and research interest in gender, race, ethnicity and the workplace.

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Christy Glass (she/her): She holds a master's degree in international management from portland State University and a bachelor's degree in management information systems from block was applied University in Georgia.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Before coming to us, you she worked in the tech industry for seven years Jamal Jared Alexander is a PhD student in the department of English.

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Christy Glass (she/her): He is a social justice researcher and scholar activist trained in qualitative methodology his research includes medical rhetorics and diversity, equity and inclusion recruitment and retention.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Using critical race and black feminist theory as as his theoretical lenses his research aims to create dedicated cultural spaces and equitable opportunities for marginalized people in professional and academic settings.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Elizabeth grace long is a third year PhD student in the combined clinical counseling psychology Program.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Her research is about identity experiences of spiritual religious LGBT Q plus and bypass communities.

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Christy Glass (she/her): She studied at the University of Toronto for a master's in women and gender studies and sexuality studies and her clinical and research interests include multicultural and LGBT Q plus psychology resilience intimacy love and collective healing.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Amman hardiman as a third year doctoral student in the department of human development and family studies.

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Christy Glass (she/her): His research examines a sense of belonging and support and education, identity and leadership development in youth and organizational culture and effectiveness Amman is also the Co author of Adam a story about roots racism and friendship.

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Christy Glass (she/her): neon to choudhry mark anya is a doctoral student in psychology currently serving as US us.

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Christy Glass (she/her): graduate studies Senator she's a first generation expatriate from Bangladesh with research interests in minority mental health.

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Christy Glass (she/her): public policy and the arts me on tour considers the immediate communities in which she lives at any given time her chosen homes and families.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Her goal is to make a positive intergenerational impact on her family's well being.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And last but certainly not least, we welcome lujan a PhD candidate in the department of instructional technology and learning sciences.

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Christy Glass (she/her): lily is a Han Chinese from South Eastern China prior to joining us you lily was a college English teacher Ching hai.

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Christy Glass (she/her): lily is broadly interested in research at the intersection of culture, technology and learning her current research aims to diversify learning and learning environments like understanding how you develop cultural awareness through making multiple representations of culture with technology.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Welcome to each of you and thank you so much for joining us for today's conversation i'm thrilled to be in a room with students and leaders of your caliber and i'm really excited to learn from each of you today.

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Christy Glass (she/her): So, first and foremost you're all here at us, you as scholars and researchers i'd like to start out by asking you to talk about your work, why you decided to pursue graduate studies at us, you and what resources have supported your success so far lily let's start with you.

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Lili Yan: Thank you christy somebody was slowly so nice to be here i'm so talking about why us you I kind of feel like it's a long journey for everyone, thinking about like apply to Grad school.

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Lili Yan: So I am PhD student in the field of instruction technology and science so i'm broadway interesting how people learn and before considering Glasgow, I was actually a teacher.

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Lili Yan: teaching in Shanghai and I think it's really so teaching that really change how I think of learning like being able to have a different perception.

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Lili Yan: To think about that, and especially thinking about how often a connection and disconnection between between the classroom and outside where.

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Lili Yan: I don't want to do a better job to make one and meaningful and then I started to do some research about different PhD Program.

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Lili Yan: And then I was able to get in touch with my advisor Dr brown words, and I think being able to get in touch with Hers is really impactful.

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Lili Yan: I didn't expect, I was able to know so much about the program and about the place where i'm going to spend following four to five years.

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Lili Yan: and also be able to meet students current students in the department, so I feel like for me these part of being able to connect to people as really important for me, I have to say, to make this really important decision in my life.

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Lili Yan: I think this is how I get into us you.

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Christy Glass (she/her): that's fantastic and it speaks to the role of good mentors and good mentorship that starts, even before students arrive on campus I think that's that's really fantastic billy Thank you bianca What about you.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: So why you Su and what resources helped me right.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: yeah you also asked about research.

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Christy Glass (she/her): yeah your work and what brought you to us, you and what.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Resources right.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Where did you so far.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Oh, so my research my pieces specifically on marriage practices in the Bangladeshi community and women's mental health outcomes born out of that, and for my dissertation I am planning to do a to paper dissertation the first one would be a qualitative interview of.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: of different of women and different kinds of marriage practices and then the second one would be a an autobiography and how that came about honestly I never when I when you know when I pursued academia in higher education, I never really saw myself pursuing a the line that's you know.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: That is any sort of like activism oriented or about just my identities in any way, but.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Over time, I realized that that is just a natural path that ended up happening subconsciously and there were many reasons behind it, I think one story like to tell the.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: When I was working at Columbia University before coming here one of the girls my co workers, the workers that I was working with she was telling me that and she's from Jackson heights, which is a very.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: It has a big Bangladeshi population their mama she American population and then she was telling me that she's studying medicine and she has two more years left and after those two years she's going to get married.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And the person who's going to get married to lives in some other state, and she has never met them and she just sounded anxious and it really blew my mind how how those kinds of like cultural constructs like take place and.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Just yeah how they express themselves in another country because.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I am originally from bond religion this person that person was born and raised in America and I wasn't coming up not comfortable starting does not the word I wasn't aware of.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: or just familiar with that kind of just cultural circumstance, so it really just made me more aware of my privileges more aware of my.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Conditionality and just what I want to do with my life and things like that so that's kind of what got me into my research.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: As for us, specifically that's actually an interesting story, because I started out in the quantitative psychology Program.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And then I switched over to social behavior epidemiology where i'm doing more of the kinds of work that i'm doing now.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And I chose quantitative just because i'm us you is one of the very few programs in the entire country that has a fun site program which is really awesome and it's really cool.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: That we have that here, as for resources honestly it's been my mentor first of all Melanie dominic Rodriguez she's been super helpful, with everything that I have always wanted to do.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And just constantly being extremely supportive, not just of my academics, but for my just passion for being involved in the Community.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And also, I feel like the culture here in utah specifically in its own way, I feel, like the majority religion here lds I feel like that's the kind of hyper inclusive branch of Christianity in some ways, where I feel like conversations like these are.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Where there's more space for conversations like this.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: That comes with its own kind of difficulties and navigating those conversations, but there is the there's the ability and the capacity to do that because of that.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: cultural aspect I feel like, and I say that because I lived in New York, for I think around eight to 10 years before I moved here, and I can see that do that difference so yeah and and also just events like this would be have been really helpful as a resource.

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Christy Glass (she/her): We also thank you, I really appreciate your describing your kind of patent both your research and your advocacy work.

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Christy Glass (she/her): growing out of your lived experience and your engagement with with others in your community, I expect that that's also true for many others on this panel, especially.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Elizabeth What about you, can you tell us about your work, what brought you to us, you and what resources have supported you so far.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): Yes, christy, and so my research is identity research that looks at.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): How spiritual and religious racial ethnic sexual and gender minority and identities intersect.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): And there aren't there are a lot of identity researchers out there, and specifically what drew me to us, you was the clinical and combined site program that had a very good match rates with internship site so.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): That was what put us on my radar and specifically the Faculty and doctor and a Gala her Dr Melanie Rodriguez a dominant Rodriguez and Dr Melissa T were the three faculty members that.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): made me interested in the school, there was a very strong diversity and mentorship statement and culture, from what I understood their labs.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): And the collegiality when I kind of asked him students to tell me about their experiences and they were they all came from various backgrounds and.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): had a lot to do with like multicultural psychological research, and it was just great to hear that they found mentors that.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): That really supported and sponsored them.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): And so coming here I I felt all those things, I felt the strong mentorship I felt the strong sense of community.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): And it's what's boyd me in times, where I felt.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): In a primarily white institution.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): And in spaces, where you encounter things like racism or sexism and stuff like that it was validating to to be in community with.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): different levels of cohort that were able to understand my experiences and also offer support and validation so um.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): that's that's what drew me to us, you and that's kept me here as well, and all the incredible programs that the inclusion Center has put out and also put out by them, the Center of interest sectional studies so.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Thank you for sharing that Elizabeth and and the one of the themes, I see running through all three of your stories is the power of mentorship.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And Community just as Elizabeth said, the fact that you had mentors who signal to you, their commitment to inclusion before you even came to campus.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And then you had mentors that that continued that commitment once you've got here and also your ability to connect with other students with shared experiences.

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Christy Glass (she/her): sounds like that's been a really powerful kind of.

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Christy Glass (she/her): mode of motivating factor to come to us, you but also important resource for you as you continue your research here Thank you so much.

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Christy Glass (she/her): So in addition to all of your roles as scholars and researchers, many of you are also teachers and graduate instructors, can you talk about your experience as a graduate.

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Christy Glass (she/her): instructor including what have been some of your biggest takeaways from the experience of serving in this role, particularly at us, you and rhonda i'd like to start with you.

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Rana Abulbasal: Thank you um I started teaching this semester and teaching sociology of gender.

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Rana Abulbasal: And it's an asynchronous online class.

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Rana Abulbasal: One of the main things that I really liked about teaching is i've never done it before and I felt like i'm at a point in the program where I need to at least.

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Rana Abulbasal: Cast how I feel about teaching in whether this is something that I will consider later on in my career or not.

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Rana Abulbasal: In the online class is an easy transition into that role, so that was a good a good.

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Rana Abulbasal: Part of this experience, the downfall kind of this is not being able to meet in person with the students and I think.

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Rana Abulbasal: Especially for a topic like sociology of gender um I think it's a very interesting topic and so far in my students have.

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Rana Abulbasal: participated participated in a really great discussions, and I would have loved to have those discussions in person, so I think, maybe the next time I teach it will probably be a face to face.

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Rana Abulbasal: The takeaways that I got from this was first one, I worked on preparing the class i'm still thinking about it from a student perspective and.

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Rana Abulbasal: And so I decided by you know, three assignments, a week is.

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Rana Abulbasal: A good number manageable.

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Rana Abulbasal: it's no big deal.

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Rana Abulbasal: But I didn't think about it from an instructor perspective and a class of 45 students having three assignments, a week that's a lot of assignments to grade and.

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Rana Abulbasal: I find myself behind all the time and that kind of puts a little bit of pressure on me, but that also give me that, like switching in the way I think there is a difference between thinking as a student and thinking as an instructor but at the same time, I feel, like me, still being a student.

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Rana Abulbasal: gave me the opportunity to be a little more empathetic with the students and.

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Rana Abulbasal: Hopefully, a little more flexible with them because i'm in the same boat with them.

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Christy Glass (she/her): yeah yeah absolutely well I having taught for a long time, I can tell you teaching, for me, still feels like a work in progress so i'm really grateful for your sharing that that experience.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Jamal Jared can you talk to us about your experience as a Grad instructor and what your biggest takeaways to bed i'm serving in that role, thus far.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Do we have.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: I would like to say first thank you all for being here for inviting me and I absolutely love teaching because I take more.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Of a hands on approach to get inside the head of the next generation.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: i'm in this Community, especially being in Logan I am often the first person of color, let alone the black instructor that many of the students have ever had and i've used a take that I use it as my advantage.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And reason being I like to use my industry experience I lived experiences of what it's been like growing up in the projects of Atlanta, and now working at our institution, but I also stressed the importance of.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: The Ai, as you all saw in my bio helping students understand and an act di initiatives in their day to day lives is key.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Because if you start them off young they can understand how to initiate this one may get to the professional SEC circuit themselves.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And i'm also a firm believer and I like to call it layer literacy and helping students embrace their authentic voices by using organic grammar.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Since I teach English, a lot of people think that English instructors are just going to drill you now with Gramma Gramma Gramma Gramma Gramma.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And, sadly, some of my colleagues do do that, but I am the opposite, I do love organic grammar being able to be your authentic self.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And figuring out different mediums different genres and how to write it in that, and where it's going to be appropriate, understanding, your.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: rhetorical awareness and looking at different rhetorical strategies and figuring out how to navigate through spaces and how to just effectively communicate to specific audience, this is one of the biggest takeaways I have when students.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: In my course will take my courses, because once you see the light bulb goes off it's like heaven and they just are so excited and mainly for those that don't know me I like to teach first thing stand up in the morning.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: 730 is what I like and those students come focus and they get a lot more out of it versus me teaching it to three o'clock in the afternoon.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: i'm in my experience, but I think that is the biggest takeaway is just seeing that light bulb click for them and being able to progress and get ready for the next stage of their life.

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Christy Glass (she/her): hmm that is powerful Jamal Jared layered literacy and organic grammar I those are powerful tools, I can imagine, and the English classroom.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Amman Jamal Jared talked about being the first black instructor many of the students have ever had I imagine you've had a similar experience what has serving as a graduate instructor been like for you.

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Amand Hardiman: yeah you know, to echo what Jeff was saying, you know when you think about the number of people in general have a PC or working on a PhD in less than 2%.

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Amand Hardiman: And so, within this country, and you know when you break those numbers down obviously all of us in here represent a small number, and particularly us as black males.

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Amand Hardiman: We make up a very small percentage, and so I would have to agree with knowledge, and I think we are probably the first black male teachers, that a lot of them have probably ever seen through their K through 20 experience.

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Amand Hardiman: And so my experience there is to be organic as Majid alluded to, for me it is specifically sharing stories about my upbringing or using family experiences within my.

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Amand Hardiman: My teaching and my lectures to make a point about a particular construct specifically I teach human development across the lifespan or otherwise known as a Defense 1500 so it's a breath class.

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Amand Hardiman: That is an introductory class or an elective class for others outside of our department and so it's very vital for me to to be lively to be.

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Amand Hardiman: That these concepts that we're talking about from human development and family studies are not just for the majority but there for a wide variety of individuals.

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Amand Hardiman: And so far, I feel like the feedbacks been great for my students, I did an evaluation not too long ago and got wonderful feedback from them.

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Amand Hardiman: So I think it's important that I show up being authentic as myself, but also showing them that because I am black does not mean that i'm left with no I don't know this material, because I do.

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Christy Glass (she/her): individuality, you have a vision of what you want to bring to the classroom and authenticity, as you said, i'm on I can imagine you're all pretty powerful teachers and our students are really lucky to have have you.

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Christy Glass (she/her): In addition to being researchers and teachers and students you're also some of the most visible faces on campus as leaders.

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Christy Glass (she/her): i'm interested in what work you've done as leaders that you're particularly proud of what your inspirations have been for taking on leadership roles and what you see as the impact of your leadership, thus far to multi tiered can we can we start with you.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Yes, i'm.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: saying I got whereby going for it because I just went.

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Amand Hardiman: Well, let me, let me just say which event, do you want him to talk.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: um I would have to say, actually, I have off for my co founders here lizard neon to in a minute will have to be the establishment of the graduate student of color association.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: That took about 12 to 18 months to put together.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: But, as you all saw in my bio my dissertation really centers on enhancing and development cultural spaces for minorities individuals specifically a predominantly white institutions so being able to come in to utah state and actually do the type of work that i'm researching has been.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Unbelievable and the feedback the reception the buy in of the stakeholders that we're continuing to get the support from the University, all the way from the President herself.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: down to staff members in my department have just been great and we intentionally wanted to design these spaces, specifically for graduate students, so that we can create eight and provide resources for a sense.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Although the inclusion Center has been beautiful for me especially working with the black student Union that organization was more catered towards undergraduate.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And I fell more into a mentor role which I love and adore and i'm still an avid mentor for them, but I wasn't getting what I needed in the context of me as a researcher or me as.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: A non traditional college student that has moved from a metropolitan city area to what I like to call, with all due respect mormon city, and it was this something that I wanted to to share and I figured I would help the next generation have a better time at navigating institutional.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: spaces, by creating this type of space to provide them with insider knowledge to give them insights to help them with different variations of writing.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Where there is their dissertation where the district thesis where that is them writing comprehensive exams or manuscripts getting ready to go on the job market, as I am now.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And figuring out how to write all nine types of documents for different institutions and habits to personalize them, it can take a lot.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And even with this retreat that we just came back from this past weekend, a lot of us have similar experiences.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: shortcomings and successes and to be able to just have a space where we can share those and it's low stakes it's no judgment is no stress.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: it's just a place that welcomes any and every perspectives, regardless of your religion sexuality.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Whatever the case may be, and again we're continuing to grow, but I think that's going to be pivotal and helping our minority graduate students persisted graduation.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: These types of spaces are needed, specifically for that and eventually once i'm able to write it up my and my vision is to create a how to guide.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: For specifically pw eyes, so they can see the importance of this and with the help of mine Elizabeth and the answer will be able to get that story out so that way they can see.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: How our attention initiatives are being documented and the effect that they would have pirate looking at different variations in types of assessments.

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Christy Glass (she/her): hmm that's so powerful Jamal Jared.

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Christy Glass (she/her): sounds like you know you're you're in real time creating that inclusive community that Elizabeth mentioned that is so vital.

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Christy Glass (she/her): to supporting the success of all students, but especially our students of color at utah state i'm so grateful for your leadership.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): i'll speak a little to it, I think, was and as as we were reflecting at the end of retreat the different things that people are feeling.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): I got a sense that there was so much relief that other people that their experiences of being a pw I was seen by other students and this expectation, to take on service work along with like their research, along with their teaching.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): was also echoed by other students so feeling like they are less alone and that.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): I think there were so many small moments in the retreat of listening to music that we grew up with or.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): I think one of the things that I took from bell hooks was the sense of you know we can't just wait for spaces to be made for us.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): And even though I think there should be this effort to create inclusive spaces.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): With the work of GSA GSA a it was building a space that we imagined for ourselves, and so, taking that initiative to just like build spaces among us like it we don't have to wait for that to happen that could happen within like our own communities.

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Christy Glass (she/her): This association and I can get has just enormous potential to raise the bar for how we train and support our graduate students and i'm grateful for the leaders in the room for launching that lily i'd like to.

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Christy Glass (she/her): throw it to you as well, I am aware of several leadership roles that you, you have held and do hold what what are you leading on that you're proud of what has inspired you to do so, and what has the impact been for you.

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Lili Yan: And for me honestly I didn't really expect, I cannot take any leadership experience during my PhD program because sounds like doing a PhD you have to bury yourself in books and papers and stuff so I feel like for me.

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Lili Yan: It is really through the trust from the people around me for me to be able to do something I really feel like I have Facebook, for example, like.

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Lili Yan: I do believe the power of making connections and like what I said in the beginning, like i'm able to be here and kind of make a decision that really changed my life.

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Lili Yan: So, to help with so many people that I was being able to connect it to So for me, I feel like I probably didn't do a lot something like a large scale, but I doing very small step to make a small connection between people.

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Lili Yan: Sometimes, maybe it's just because we don't really have a space, and then we probably can have an informal kind of meeting to have people to.

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Lili Yan: bike they can connect so I feel like this is something really keep me going, and I do have some challenging challenging moment I feel like it's partially English is not my first language.

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Lili Yan: and never got the experience of growing up like in a really immerse English language language environment so sometimes I struggle like.

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Lili Yan: When I read it suppliers with sentences I struggle like because i'm transmitting stuff some nuances will be lost, does this sounds interesting to people, but it really through the chest from the people around me they gave me the encouragement of people doing the things I feel like.

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Christy Glass (she/her): i'm Thank you so much, I what I hear from from each of you is that you saw a real need on our campus.

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Christy Glass (she/her): To build spaces and to make connections and you're now doing the work to fill that need, and I just want to acknowledge and appreciate the time and the commitment that it takes away from.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Your research in your teaching to do that kind of leadership and I i'm grateful because our campus is better and stronger because of it.

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Christy Glass (she/her): At the start of our discussion, we talked about the resources that have supported your success so far no i'd like to kind of pivot and ask.

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Christy Glass (she/her): What you see are the resources that are still needed at us, you to support students, like you, and the students that will come after you run a let's start with you.

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Rana Abulbasal: Where do I start but.

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Rana Abulbasal: I can start with the first master that I when I got to use you.

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Rana Abulbasal: I was 2026 weeks pregnant and.

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Rana Abulbasal: You know this master way on and my pregnancy have progressed and the winter came and it was cold and snowing in miserable and.

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Rana Abulbasal: Student parking This is like a small thing and like that kind of falls into the design of the space, but.

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Rana Abulbasal: boy that made my life so miserable as a 35 weeks pregnant woman having to park, all the way by the stadium and walking in the snow and cold.

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Rana Abulbasal: Oh, that was horrible and that directly made me think that this place was not designed to have mothers or expecting mothers and it because, otherwise, you would think, at least, there will be some sort of accommodation.

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Rana Abulbasal: So that was one of the things that I always think about and I always remember, I remember this, specifically because, in my previous job I they had.

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Rana Abulbasal: parking spots right out of the door of the buildings and they weren't for expecting mothers and I always thought what a cute idea that was and then I got pregnant and I realized how thoughtful that idea was it's not a cute thing, it was a thoughtful.

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Rana Abulbasal: thing that was made and done so it can accommodate a different type of people that traditionally does not exist in this place.

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Rana Abulbasal: um i'll leave it for other people.

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Christy Glass (she/her): I appreciate and I don't think that's a small thing to me that gets really directly at issues of accessibility and providing you with the.

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Christy Glass (she/her): supports, including the built environment that allow you to succeed right, I appreciate your sharing that Rana.

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Amand Hardiman: Know say from a structural standpoint, we all know that universities typically work in silos so there's a lot of departments that are doing wonderful thing that.

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Amand Hardiman: Other departments don't know about offer classes that other departments, maybe aren't aware of, and so I think, from a systematic structure the should be some more transparency between departments about you know particular classes and offerings for electives, for example.

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Amand Hardiman: needing to have certain training, such as intersection ality or critical race where any critical theories.

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Amand Hardiman: is necessary and typically you know what I gather, is that most departments, want to have that type of those courses within your department.

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Amand Hardiman: And if it's not offered within the class shop or within your department structurally having some sort of collaboration with other departments, so that you know.

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Amand Hardiman: The very beginning of the recruitment that although we don't have this in our department right at this moment, here are some other departments that are offering this uses teachers that reach out to them, if you want.

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Amand Hardiman: etc, etc, so that communication between those silos I think nita to improve another piece would be it's not small either, but i've talked with Rachel and use you libraries, but the resources needed says study, some of these.

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Amand Hardiman: Because you know, for us to have to go do go the extra mile which obviously it's great for us to do that and I wanted to do that now, but I recognize that the people in this room or.

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Amand Hardiman: I don't wanna call us anomalies, but a little different when it comes to leadership and wanting to take the initiative.

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Amand Hardiman: And so, everybody that's on here that looks like it's not going to have that that type of drive or desire to want to create those type of programming so that has to be some more.

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Amand Hardiman: And really hammered that assessment wise, as well as intentionality with programming, but for us at a system level and it through each department, the should be better now countless races for these minority students, so that they do have some sort of comfort within the department as well.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Thank you, and I appreciate your you're pointing out that that providing these resources is about.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Like all of you, and I want to note as well that rhonda added to the chat section on issues around child care, support for.

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Christy Glass (she/her): and support the success of outstanding graduate students do, what can you add to this conversation what resources are still needed, that can support that could better support you as students, following you.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And I want to start by echoing what amongst said about communication and like inter-departmental communication because that's super important i've been working with.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: The inclusion Center global engagement to us USA the psychology department in different capacities, the past two years and.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Something I noticed as a student who's trying to just advocate for students, like myself i'm just seeing more efficiency is that.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: There does need to be better collaboration and communication between these groups and also having said that.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Because I have worked with them and working with them, I also see how everyone is just really busy and it's all it's hard to maintain that kind of communication, so I understand that that challenge.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: But we do need to be more intentional about how we are doing any sort of the programming that we are doing any sort of these events that we are hosting.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: So that's one thing so just better communication, as well as just normalizing this kind of language and these kinds of conversations they don't need to be contentious conversations or something that is.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: That that you know that just triggers some sort of hostility or anger or.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: amicability and people these conversations are important, and I feel like, especially in utah compared to other states again in my experience, these conversations, while there is a space for them, they just become a lot harder.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And there's just a lot more polarization so it would be really just helpful, just as scholars and as an institution and as academics, to be able to create an environment where.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: We so I want to acknowledge and honor the just The fact of the importance of having specific spaces that are that, where people like me and everyone else on this panel can feel safe.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: But these conversations should be okay and allowed and should be safe anywhere so that's that's something that is missing from this university that I would like to see, as well as whenever we are having conversations like this it's important to defer to leadership from the communities.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And that's also tricky because it's important to not tokenism while you're doing that and that's something that also happens a lot.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: So yeah deferring to minority minority populations leadership in order to understand what what the need is that that we need, as well as.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Cultural competency training that's a really big one that's a really important one, that is something i'm personally working on this year to make it to to start university wide mandatory cultural competency trainings for us to Community members.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I mean outside of everything I just said, I just from my personal experience from being here, I have sat in on several cultural competence and trainings i've sat in on acculturation trainings that was.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: That specifically, it was designed for international students that I did not appreciate and I found very problematic so.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: there's the lack of that there's a need for that and then there's also the need for making sure that we do it in a way, where it's where we're actually honoring our intentions and not causing more harm than good so that's something that's also important to work on.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: What else is there right, I also do want to mention that I think it was our 2018 survey our campus climate survey just shows.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Experience us you and how they perceive you as you and minority groups have consistently reported perceiving and experiencing us us a hostile environment.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: With international students always consistently, and you can look at the data reporting it to be the most hostile, and I would be remiss to not mention judicious and GB at this point.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And just to reducing experiences like that making sure that we have programming and we have resources where people's lives are honored and people's experiences that experiences are honored is the most important.

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Christy Glass (she/her): meal, so thank you so much, I really appreciate your the breadth and scope of your vision for for the work that lies ahead ahead for us.

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Christy Glass (she/her): So I will spend the next 10 minutes on with our last two questions and then we'll spend the last 15 minutes of our session taking q&a from the audience so i'm.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Second, to last question sense of belonging, is a phrase that comes up, often in conversations about inclusive communities and and we've been talking about communities and inclusion throughout our own conversation.

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Christy Glass (she/her): i'd like to hear what that means to you as students, teachers Community members advocates, what does a sense of belonging look like and how do we achieve it Amman let's start with you, since this is a cornerstone of your own research.

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Amand Hardiman: yeah for sure.

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Amand Hardiman: Well, I think it's best to to recognize, you know really what took a belonging is just briefly explain, for the audience.

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Amand Hardiman: How we define it just in short terms that it's twofold there's the desire to fit into a crowd or into an environment of one or more people and to acknowledge fit but to feel like.

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Amand Hardiman: Whether it's perception that I feel valued within this environments as well, so I think it's important to preface that before I answer the latter part or your question there.

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Amand Hardiman: Regarding sense of belonging, I think there's again going back to this desire fit.

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Amand Hardiman: I think, recognizing from the gst a retreat.

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Amand Hardiman: From my own personal lived experiences and that can be quite difficult to do that when you are in an unfamiliar environment.

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Amand Hardiman: Particularly most marginalized or a marginalized in my notes I students, particularly Grad students are being recruited out of State, so they don't identify with.

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Amand Hardiman: can provide some loneliness not only on campus what in the Community, that we haven't really addressed and we don't have time to address so to really circle back, I think we need to be able to provide.

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Amand Hardiman: An intentionality in our program name within our departments for marginalized students like we do for undergrad students.

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Amand Hardiman: Because truthfully i'm just going to be i'll be frank here, I think we do offer a very important role to this university.

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Amand Hardiman: That often goes on recognized in a lot of ways, and we do a lot for a lot of these undergrads as well, and so the need to see administrators at our events, the need to see administrator is.

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Amand Hardiman: That that one support jsc or other organizations at our meetings and to provide some space to provide professional development and training for individuals that are like us, I think, is crucial moving forward.

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Amand Hardiman: For us to feel this notional sense of belonging that I feel like I belong one to a good group in a Community like Jesse, but I feel valued which it can be from again this notion of administration and a higher ups from department, all the way up to system log.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Thank you for mentioning that.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Absolutely so leader visibility and endorsement of these efforts is really vital both for their success and impact, but also for their sustainability over time run out, can you speak to this issue of sense of belonging, is as a mom kind of laid out for us.

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Rana Abulbasal: Absolutely um so I totally agree with what you have said and how he defined sense of belonging.

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Rana Abulbasal: I would add to that for me personally i'm sense of belonging means feeling safe for me people usually think that in order for me to get that sense of belonging, I need people.

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Rana Abulbasal: who look like me dress like me talk like me and and think like me um, but I think well this kind of people like having my people and, like other people of color around.

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Rana Abulbasal: providing me with solidarity and not necessarily a sense of belonging.

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Rana Abulbasal: or an example that I can use to illustrate what I mean is it's outside of us you it's more on the Logan as a city.

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Rana Abulbasal: In cache valley majority of employees that were affected by the outbreak were people of color and largely refugees now that was a huge thing and I impacted those people lives in a really, really big way during the same time that this happened.

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Rana Abulbasal: The protocol safety protocols, yes, and to me that set a very big signal on how the city in general views people of color who are part of the city, when there was.

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Rana Abulbasal: did not really seem like a big thing for the City Council it said that message to me that maybe people of color within this Community are not necessarily considered as part of the of the Community and that really left me with.

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Rana Abulbasal: This this really awful feeling of wondering Do I really fit here, is this really a good place for me to be.

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Rana Abulbasal: Could I ever feel like home when i'm in this place and it It made me wonder if you know down the line, something happens that impacts me personally, will I be able to feel safe will people be able to support me in in have my back in and help me and.

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Rana Abulbasal: So, to me, that is where the sense of belonging happen it doesn't necessarily required people who look like me but definitely require people who are able to.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Thank you for sharing that rhonda and i'm on touched on this as well the, the issue of the campus community and feeling a sense of belonging here.

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Christy Glass (she/her): is one thing, but but we live in a larger community and and feeling safe and included in that larger community is equally important to our efforts to recruit and retain outstanding students like y'all in this room, and I appreciate the point that representation is necessary but insufficient.

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Christy Glass (she/her): representation is vital, but, but we also need need more than that right.

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Christy Glass (she/her): In our last few minutes before we turn to audience Q amp a, what do you wish, you had known when you started at us, you what would you tell.

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Christy Glass (she/her): What would you tell your first yourself or your pre utah state self, what do you want students kind of following behind you to know we don't have much time, but Jamal Jared let's start with you.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Oh man.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: I wish you had more time because I.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: mean i'm speaking from personal experience I keep everyone, not the first thing I looked up well my mentor sent me.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: The application to apply for utah was where is the nearest urban Barber need to figure out how far I gotta go get my haircut because if it's not within a reasonable distance.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: It ain't happening, and a lot of people underestimate that but I, we have a specific type of hair type and everyone can't cut out here.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: and looking, especially for mind and myself, we represent two different completely different versions of what it means to be black men, and I think that, and it was unintentional but it's also very strategic because mine is very posh and I used to be just like him when I was doing corporate.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: When I was working in industry, I used to do the business casual the business attire and that was my everyday thing similar Dallas for him now.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: But it wasn't until I got here and my old colleague, who was not professor at Virginia tech Center she was dressed dressed.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: In overalls like one year it was a year of overalls, then the next year or the year of visual rhetoric and she would have one different.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: feminist shirt so a woman ISM shirt and It made me realize that I want to be a representation for the black community in different light, and so I dress more low key down to earth.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Different from a mind, but at the same time, since we're always together they get to see what this looks like in that it can still be a level of success.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: So I say all that to say be your authentic self find your find your people.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Get out of your department, especially for us that are in graduate schools, we tend to just be secluded to our program through our office to our one little building and we don't venture out.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And we miss out on that sense of community that sense of belonging on building social capital to getting involved, and you have to get out be don't be afraid to just get out and venture.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: If I just be yourself if you can be yourself, you will always attract the people that you need and that's going to always help you in the long run.

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Christy Glass (she/her): find your people if there's I mean I, we should all just try to have that on our wall right five find your people, thank you Elizabeth well good What would you tell your your.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Early career solve what would you tell students coming up behind you.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): I would say something along the lines of like if you can imagine it and it with the right people, it can be possible, so I mean with that is like.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): Imagining different ways of doing research research that's not just quantitative one that honors storytelling one the honors are.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): One that honors creative and spiritual expression, there are so many scholars out there who are imagining within the field of psychology like different ways of accessing identity phenomenal logical experiences and ways of doing methodology different and I didn't really encounter those.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): In psych spaces, the stuff that I read back as an undergrad so if there are ways that you feel limited within your field.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): You know, be that be, that person to seek out other scholars, who are doing that work because it's very likely that it's happening and just.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): If you feel like something is off it's likely that other people are also feeling the same way and that you know you don't have to wait for permission to to formulate a program of research.

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Elizabeth Wong (she/her): That that hasn't necessarily been done before, but that you can create it and so kind of reminding.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Fantastic and so find your people and carve your own path find find your people who will help you kind of realize that agency and carving carving out the kind of research agenda you need Thank you Elizabeth lily finally to you what advice would you give to those coming up behind you.

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Lili Yan: i'm still thinking about myself as a middle aged international students who were super silent during my first year I was saying.

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Lili Yan: something very simple like don't be afraid to ask questions, I hope I could think about like the act and behavior of asking question differently in my first year.

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Lili Yan: So thinking about like from a learning design perspective, it is to the question will be able to identify what information are missing and What support do you need for thinking about like that.

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Lili Yan: Rather than thinking, though, you are creating travel to people I feel like I should, I hope I can know this only so I probably will be more proactive and get a better sense of alarming by reaching out to people.

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Christy Glass (she/her): that's fantastic so take up space don't be afraid to ask the questions and ask for the resources, you need take up space.

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Christy Glass (she/her): and find it find those folks who will help you navigate Thank you so much, so i'd like to turn to some of the cute questions from our audience i'm going to combine two questions and start with you neon.

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Christy Glass (she/her): So, so one of the attendees know noted that our panelists are primarily from the College of education and chats i'm curious and another.

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Christy Glass (she/her): noted, you know graduate students on our statewide campuses so interested from the je je s ca's perspective, what has the by end Ben for students from some of our other colleges college of add college of science college of engineering.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And from our statewide students, is there a way for statewide graduate students to engage with the GS CA and what has been the buy in from students from some of those other colleges.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Like now.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Honestly, even perfect examples, with this retreat if it wasn't for Elizabeth and the answer this retreat probably would have been a party of five.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: But instead we were a parting of 14 and so, although we've gone through the appropriate channels getting our PR team involved of doing digital signage throughout the university marketing team and.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Making sure that we're getting the visibility that we so desperately need, especially as a new association.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: it's still it's still lacking, and so I know, for example, a lot of us are in the chat department and they do an exceptional job.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: and helping us do college level events and connections and so it's easier for us to kind of navigate in that type of space and utilize them as a resource, but the efforts aren't fruitless choose me.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: Alright, as fruitful as they can be for our engineering or for those that are in other disciplines slash colleges, but that's going to change.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: I think we're only in month, what is this technically three of our establishment so by the time word of mouth continues to spread about the time.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And i'm old school, I have no problem walking over to another department knocking on the Chair or dean's door and be like hey you got a second let's talk.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And just taking it from there and I don't see that, because at the end of the day, they're human just like I am.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: I mean all they can do is say schedule an appointment and I will be the one to follow up in your inbox week after week until I can get a visit.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: But we need more, we need more volume, because we have a lot more international and domestic students, that we have yet to even touch, I will say right now we're still at maybe 6% of 100.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: And even though this retreat was 100% successful that's a small percentage when you're looking.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: at large, and so that second part of the question, we do have virtual option so even within this retreat that we had we had a virtual zoom session.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: For each of the four writing sessions that we had, and we had people sign up for that for those that are doing your shoe online or taking your masters PhD classes online.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: So we do have different online components and even with our weekly writing sessions we'd still have the online component, we had one yesterday.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: We actually missed it because we had to speak at a different events so sadly we missed a few people that wanted to get online our apologies for that, but we it's at least available in our mind speak for the rest of it.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And I think christy so I want to jump in I think you asked me to speak a little bit about this and Jamal Jared did an excellent job of describing the barriers within the GS CA.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: For the question in regards to I personally noticed this too that most of us are from the gst on this panel and then most of us are from the College of education.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: So this might be more of a question for just the intersection of gender studies Center.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: But just my two cents would be I feel like one of the reasons, and there are several reasons right one of them is that.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: This is the how this panel looks is probably representative of the colleges, or the specific departments that these kinds of.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Leadership activities or activism usually comes from generally not always.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: i'm seeing the sociology department and i'm seeing the psychology department and, in my experience with both of these departments these departments are really great about having these conversations.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: So i'm sure that's part of it, I think another reason could be marketing we're still I think in the process of trying to do outreach is and that's always difficult within any organization and any sort of initiative.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And also, maybe we're still recovering from covert so that could be another reason to that it's still a little bit difficult to reach people.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I think among you wanted to speak so i'll let you speak I do want to see a little bit for the next question, because that is specifically something that i've been thinking of a lot of working on Christie if that's okay with you.

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Christy Glass (she/her): So it sounds like and, by the way, I failed to mention the College of natural resources, it sounds like there's.

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Christy Glass (she/her): You know this is a new initiative and there's huge room to grow and expand across campus you're already being intentional about virtual events building and virtual events which would allow.

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Christy Glass (she/her): statewide and other students to participate, but you need leadership to buy in to facilitate greater outreach and collaboration on i'm grateful for that.

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Christy Glass (she/her): What direction i'll throw this to the whole panel what direction, would you suggest, taking when working with a variety of groups to have representation voice and creating a sense of belonging, without it feeling like token icing.

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Christy Glass (she/her): What maybe another way to ask that, as you know what has worked for you in terms of giving you representation voice and sense of belonging that hasn't just felt like it kind of token gesture.

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Amand Hardiman: Think for for for me personally, I think the initial conversations prior to an event to prior to something is a pretty good indicator for me of the intentionality of individuals.

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Amand Hardiman: And the intent of what what they're trying to do, and so, for me, I have learned to really be strategic in the questions that I asked.

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Amand Hardiman: And to try to understand what the purpose is that that will that will wanted to get across here so that you know that i'm not being token eyes, but rather i'm contributing to something.

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Amand Hardiman: That is value and that honestly, I think, as we as that PC student is, as I grow in my own personal teaching philosophy personal philosophy, I think we all have different versions of what tokenism is, although we could probably come to a a overall.

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Amand Hardiman: Conclusion of what that definition is, I think, making sure that my integrity is not being questioned in the process of doing an event or be showing up for an event one.

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Amand Hardiman: But to also making sure that again going back since Bali that I feel that my contributions are being valued and then i'm contributing to the experience overall rather being told to come and fill a need which is a different experience yeah.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Absolutely rhonda do you want to do want to add to that.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Under represent member of an underrepresented group I appreciate that.

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Christy Glass (she/her): So two final thoughts i'll throw it to you neon.

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Christy Glass (she/her): Are their thoughts on how we can dismantle the divide between undergrad and Grad students of marginalized students that US you number one and number two, how can.

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Christy Glass (she/her): We as administrators professors lectures do more to make sure that the Grad student of color association continues to thrive long after you are all gone.

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Christy Glass (she/her): We want to do you want to jump in.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: yeah sorry my head is all over the place, I want to take a look at the first question again.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Right, so the divide between undergrad and Grad that's something that that's that i've been tackling with for the last two years on tackling for the last two years.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I think a lot of it has to do with just just how the resources are marketed and it's not a usp problem is just you know it's countrywide all universities have this problem.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I think one way right now something i'm trying to do with from my position as a city Center is just do a lot of marketing and honestly it's a lot of it does have to do with marketing and outreach.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And also just making clear communication that a lot of the resources that are available, these are also available to Grad students, these are available to all Community members of us you.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Because, something I have noticed come come to me time and again is that a lot of Grad students when.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I would invite them to something or let them know about something they would think that that is just for undergraduates and a prime example.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: Is the US USA elections and those positions are for every single they're available for anyone, granted that there is a.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: The populations are extremely different in size, so that the competition is not you know it's not kind of it's kind of skewed but at the same time, a lot of people actually don't realize that those resources are there for them as well.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: And also just showing up just going to events that are undergrad majority, as well as for undergrads to come to our events that are majority.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: I invited everyone a lot of undergraduates that I know to this conversation, and I feel like traditionally these events, if it's.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: If it's hosted or sat on by graduate students undergraduates culturally have that same idea that this isn't for me this is for graduate students but it's I mean just listen to the conversations we've been having so far, this is relevant to everyone and i'll just for graduate students.

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Niyonta Chowdhury-Magaña: yeah and for Jesse I think i'll let them on speak on that because you'd be able to give a better insight on that I feel like.

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Christy Glass (she/her): yeah so i'm on our very last minute, I want to know if there are some resources in the chat or feedback survey resources that each of our panelists have provided so that all of us can can learn and enrich ourselves more on the issues we've discussed.

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Christy Glass (she/her): upcoming events by the Center for inter sexual gender studies and research but among last word, what do we need to do to make sure the gsb a sustainable over time, what role for administrators and how do we make sure these issues stay on the forefront.

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Amand Hardiman: i'm really brief, I think again systematically getting this embedded within the recruitment application piece for every single department.

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Amand Hardiman: Every application has to go through the office of graduate studies and you know Jamal Jerry and they also Elizabeth and I have been in talks with the dark color about how to get this.

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Amand Hardiman: This systematically embedded within the application process so that students are aware of this and that they can have touch points.

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Amand Hardiman: Of gst a while before they even reach campus and so another piece would be your marketing materials for recruitment as well and make sure that.

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Amand Hardiman: You know departments are working alongside us, in fact, we had an individual from theater yesterday come up and speak to us by hey, how can we be allies and how can we work with you yesterday.

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Amand Hardiman: So that we can continue to support our students moving forward, so I think again just as overall recognition now only from the office of graduate studies, but from all the beings and every single college, being aware of this program and being able to provide.

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Amand Hardiman: Monetary as well as marketing assistance for it so that it is sustainable well afterwards and that it's embedded within the very constructs and system of us you.

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Christy Glass (she/her): mom Thank you so much, I appreciate that and.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And just a reminder to everybody attend register and attend next week's inclusive excellence symposium several Members of this panel have played an important role in organizing and planning that symposium.

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Christy Glass (she/her): And Tuesday session will feature international students, including some Members of this panel so be sure to register and participate in that event, next week check out the Grad student of color association join participate support advocate.

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Christy Glass (she/her): For this organization and for the issues that the students have raised today I want to thank all of you for taking the time to help educate our Community and guide our Community, as we move towards a more inclusive campus climate thanks to each of you.

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Amand Hardiman: Thank you all good to see y'all.

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Jamal-Jared Alexander: it's good to be thing.