WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 00:00:00.063 --> 00:00:04.560 [LATRISHA FALL ] Welcome, everybody. Today,   00:00:04.560 --> 00:00:10.500 we are super excited to have you here for  our "Intersections on Inclusion" panel. 00:00:11.100 --> 00:00:15.840 Today's title is "Communities Activated:  Stories from Behind the Scenes of Progress." 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:21.840 We're gonna to open up our event  today by reading the land grant -- 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:23.400 the land acknowledgement statement, sorry. 00:00:24.060 --> 00:00:27.720 "As a land-grant institution,  Utah State University campuses   00:00:27.720 --> 00:00:32.580 and centers reside and operate on the  territories of the eight tribes of Utah, 00:00:32.580 --> 00:00:37.020 who have been living, working, and  residing on this land from time immemorial. 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.400 These tribes are the Confederated  Tribes of the Goshute Indians,  00:00:41.400 --> 00:00:44.520 Navajo Nation, Ute Indian Tribe, 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:48.300 Northwestern Band of Shoshone,  Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah,  00:00:48.300 --> 00:00:50.220 San Juan Southern Paiute, 00:00:50.220 --> 00:00:55.380 Skull Valley Band of Goshute, and White Mesa Band of the Ute Mountain Ute. 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:58.500 We acknowledge these lands carry  the stories of these Nations and   00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:00.900 their struggles for survival and identity. 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:05.520 We recognize Elders past and present  as peoples who have cared for,   00:01:05.520 --> 00:01:07.260 and continue to care for, the land. 00:01:07.860 --> 00:01:11.880 In offering this land acknowledgment, we affirm Indigenous self-governance history, 00:01:11.880 --> 00:01:15.840 experiences, and resiliency of the  Native people who are still here today.” 00:01:16.800 --> 00:01:19.500 We wanted to let you know  that there are live captioning   00:01:20.160 --> 00:01:24.240 available if you just select the little  live transcript button at the bottom. 00:01:24.240 --> 00:01:29.880 And please use the Q&A feature to submit  any questions throughout our session today. 00:01:31.260 --> 00:01:33.660 Our panel's going to be  moderated by Avery Edenfield. 00:01:33.660 --> 00:01:38.280 Dr. Avery Edenfield is an Associate Professor  of Rhetoric and Technical Communication 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.220 in the Department of English  at Utah State University. 00:01:41.220 --> 00:01:46.620 His research agenda works on the intersections of  technical, cultural, and public rhetorics 00:01:46.620 --> 00:01:50.340 with attention to the technical  writing strategies marginalized   00:01:50.340 --> 00:01:52.140 communities employ for self-advocacy, 00:01:52.140 --> 00:01:55.560 particularly in extra-institutional contexts. 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.800 Avery has recently been appointed  as the Inaugural Director for the 00:01:58.800 --> 00:02:01.200 Center for Intersectional Gender  Studies & Research. 00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:03.600 And Avery will take it from here. Thank you. 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:05.580 [AVERY EDENFIELD] Thanks, Latrisha. 00:02:05.580 --> 00:02:10.680 And thanks everyone for coming  out today for our discussion. 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:14.040 And now I'm gonna introduce our panelists: 00:02:14.820 --> 00:02:19.200 First we have Ariel Malan, is  a Health Equity consultant,   00:02:19.200 --> 00:02:22.080 a community organizer-activist and queer educator. 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.720 For over a decade, Ariel's passion and expertise   00:02:24.720 --> 00:02:29.880 has been working with LGBTQ+ communities  through advocacy, education, and research. 00:02:29.880 --> 00:02:32.820 In her role with the University of Utah,   00:02:32.820 --> 00:02:38.460 she has been instrumental in helping build  the University of Utah's multi-disciplinary 00:02:38.460 --> 00:02:39.720 transgender health program,   00:02:40.727 --> 00:02:46.320 which spans across eight specialties  of care -- whew! -- from establishing 00:02:46.320 --> 00:02:51.060 community engagement pathways and workforce  education to better serve gender diverse people. 00:02:52.380 --> 00:02:53.340 So thanks, Ariel. 00:02:53.340 --> 00:03:01.424 Roberto Lopez is a first generation  immigrant born in Mi -- I'm sorry, Michoacán? 00:03:01.424 --> 00:03:03.340 [ROBERTO LOPEZ] Michoacán. [AVERY]   00:03:03.900 --> 00:03:07.560 Michoacán -- thank you, I apologize - Mexico. 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:11.220 They grew up in undocumented  -- They grew up undocumented   00:03:11.220 --> 00:03:14.160 in Southern California and Utah  most of their lives -- their life. 00:03:14.160 --> 00:03:18.600 Roberto is a non-binary single  parent of three teens -- wow,   00:03:18.600 --> 00:03:22.500 three teens -- a queer social activist, 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:26.340 and a current board chair of Project  Rainbow Utah. Thank you, Roberto. 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:32.220 Mel Payne is a marketing director and serves on  the Board of directors at the Logan Pride Center. 00:03:32.220 --> 00:03:36.000 He is the community outreach  lead for the Pride House. His   00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.880 current community outreach centers  on increasing access to health care 00:03:38.880 --> 00:03:43.500 for LGBTQIA+ folks in the Bear River Region.   00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:47.700 Mel serves on committees for the  Bear River Health Department and 00:03:47.700 --> 00:03:49.380 the newly formed Mental Health Utah,   00:03:49.380 --> 00:03:53.400 and currently works as enrollment advocate for Bear Lake Community Health Centers. 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:58.920 In addition to his LGBTQIA+  and health equity advocacy,   00:03:58.920 --> 00:04:03.480 Mel currently serves on Americorps --  serves with Americorps as a coordinator   00:04:03.480 --> 00:04:07.560 for the newly established William  A. Burnard Warming Center in Logan, 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:13.380 which will provide overnight shelter, food, water,  clothing, and connection to community resources 00:04:13.380 --> 00:04:15.840 for those experiencing housing  insecurity this winter.  00:04:16.380 --> 00:04:18.720 Thank you, Mel, for being here. 00:04:19.250 --> 00:04:24.840 Chief Blair Barfuss has worked  public safety for over 20 years,   00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:27.960 holding a variety of assignments  and responsibilities, including   00:04:28.447 --> 00:04:34.020 Patrol and Training Unit Commander,  Special Victims Unit Supervisor, 00:04:34.020 --> 00:04:37.920 Homicide and Major Crimes  Supervisor, SWAT Team Leader,   00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:44.280 Youth Investigations/SRO Supervisor,  Community Oriented Policing Unit,   00:04:44.280 --> 00:04:50.232 and many others. Chief Blair earned his master’s  degree from the USU School of Huntsman, 00:04:50.232 --> 00:04:55.200 Huntsman School of Business, a Graduate Certificate in Public Safety  Leadership from the University of Virginia,   00:04:55.200 --> 00:05:03.840 and is a graduate of the FBI’s National Academy  with Session #265. Chief Blair and his wife have   00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:07.440 three daughters, and he enjoys competing  in triathlons and reading world history. 00:05:08.640 --> 00:05:09.900 Thanks for being here, Blair. 00:05:09.900 --> 00:05:13.140 Thanks, everyone. Wow, what a panel! 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:18.060 Wow, just so humble to be among  all of you -- this is just fantastic. 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:25.200 So just to reiterate, there's a Q&A if you want to  ask questions. We're going to go into the guided   00:05:25.200 --> 00:05:32.580 questions now, and I'm just going to focus each  question towards one panelist but then open it   00:05:32.580 --> 00:05:38.940 up to all panelists to answer. So I'll start with  the first. As you may have gotten from the song at   00:05:38.940 --> 00:05:44.280 the beginning, our real subtitle for the panel was  "It's about Damn Time," highlighting the sense of   00:05:44.280 --> 00:05:48.840 urgency we feel regarding this work and its  importance. We identified you as a community   00:05:48.840 --> 00:05:54.900 leaders doing important work, so could you tell  us what you do and a little about your story and   00:05:54.900 --> 00:06:01.140 how you arrived at doing what you do. So I'm  going to start with Chief Barfuss -- Chief   00:06:01.140 --> 00:06:05.633 Blair -- do you prefer Chief Blair or Chief  Barfuss? 00:06:05.633 --> 00:06:09.179 [BLAIR] Blair, Blair is my first name and I think it's less formal and I appreciate that. 00:06:09.179 --> 00:06:14.785 [AVERY] Chief Blair, thank  you, it is. So I'll put the question in the chat as well. 00:06:14.785 --> 00:06:22.103 [BLAIR] All right, real quickly, I spent the majority of my law enforcement career in the Salt Lake Metro Area 00:06:22.103 --> 00:06:27.180 simply doing all the negative things that policing is often associated with, 00:06:27.840 --> 00:06:33.720 and quite frankly, I wanted a change in lifestyle  and pace and profession. So I went to Southern   00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:39.600 Utah where I was the chief of police at  Utah Tech University and four months ago,   00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:45.480 I came to Utah State. And this transition to  higher ed and being in a community atmosphere,   00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:54.600 which is positive, and 99.9% of people want to  better themselves and better society -- it sparked   00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:59.700 joy in my profession for one of the first times  in years, so that's why I'm here, that's why I'm   00:06:59.700 --> 00:07:05.520 in higher ed, that's why I'm still doing public  safety on college campuses because there's a lot   00:07:05.520 --> 00:07:10.680 to do and I appreciate these opportunities  to join people like you. [AVERY] Thanks, Blair  00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.780 appreciate your answer. Roberto, Mel,  or Ariel, would you like to follow up with   00:07:17.640 --> 00:07:23.520 your story -- how you arrived at what you're  doing? [ROBERTO] I mean, I can share my story.   00:07:23.520 --> 00:07:28.620 Mine's not -- it's not very positive,  but it turned into a really good positive.   00:07:30.060 --> 00:07:35.460 Growing up and you know moving from California  to Utah, I found that resources for the LGBTQ   00:07:35.460 --> 00:07:41.100 community were almost non-existent, to  the point that when we were growing up,   00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:48.180 well, I lost a dear friend of mine because of  not knowing where to go. So I made it a goal   00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.440 because of that lack of resource to make all those   00:07:52.440 --> 00:07:58.260 resources available to anyone and make  that more visible, more aware. And so   00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:03.180 the reason why I'm here is basically so  that other people know that these resources   00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:09.960 exist so that we don't have inaccessibility to these  programs that are life-changing or life-saving. 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:19.800 [AVERY] Thank you. [MEL] And my story is, I mean,  not as deep as Roberto's, but sort of the same   00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:25.440 thing. I came here from Boston, Massachusetts in  August of 2021 with my partner who's a professor   00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:31.320 at USU, and moving from Logan, Utah to -- our  moving from Boston, Massachusetts to Logan, Utah,   00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:36.480 they just couldn't differ more from a cultural and  diversity standpoint as I'm sure all of you would   00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:42.360 agree. So experiencing that as a queer couple  and as a transgender person myself, I felt this   00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:47.940 heavy burden on myself just knowing there were  probably others like us in Logan and how they   00:08:47.940 --> 00:08:52.020 were able to be out in the community. So about  after six months of living here, I decided that   00:08:52.020 --> 00:08:56.160 I wanted to do something more in the community, so  I left my executive position at a large marketing   00:08:56.160 --> 00:09:00.540 corporation and I immediately got involved with  the Logan Pride Foundation, first volunteering as   00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:05.640 the marketing director and then when I joined the  board in March, and it just -- I just kept growing   00:09:05.640 --> 00:09:09.120 my involvement in the community from there, and  it just kind of branched out into healthcare   00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:15.660 and now the Warming Center, so. That's my story,  and just trying to bring that same diversity and   00:09:15.660 --> 00:09:22.571 cultural accessibility that we had in Boston  to the Logan, Utah area. [AVERY] Thank you. 00:09:24.660 --> 00:09:30.060 [ARIEL] So I yeah -- I relate to a lot of the  stories that have already been shared a bit.   00:09:31.260 --> 00:09:38.280 So similar to Roberto, I had a close friend  about probably more than a decade ago who   00:09:38.280 --> 00:09:46.620 died by suicide who was a gay man, and that was  a big turning point to the work that I do now.   00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:53.460 And I think having those moments  really is kind of what   00:09:54.900 --> 00:10:00.120 helps us become passionate about these  things, right? And so I started my journey   00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:04.800 through my undergraduate degree thinking  I'm going to be a psychologist -- I want   00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:09.540 to work directly with people, I want  to do therapy maybe neuropsychology,   00:10:10.380 --> 00:10:15.660 and then I applied to grad school for three  years after that and could not get in anywhere,   00:10:15.660 --> 00:10:23.580 so I was like, "You know what? Let's reevaluate."  And I just fell across the field of healthcare   00:10:23.580 --> 00:10:31.140 administration and found that that was actually a  much better fit for me. So now I'm able to kind of   00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:40.440 look at mental and physical health care needs of  the LGBTQ+ community from a systems perspective,   00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:46.620 which for me makes me feel like I have a bigger  impact because I can reach more people that way.   00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:53.220 So a lot of the perspectives that I might share  today might include things around like policies   00:10:53.220 --> 00:11:01.140 or like system level advocacy and things like  that, but essentially, I'm happy to be here   00:11:01.140 --> 00:11:07.020 with everyone and I'm so glad to kind of share  these -- share this moment with all of you,   00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:13.380 [AVERY] Thanks Ariel. So it sounds like a lot  of what is bringing people together is --   00:11:13.380 --> 00:11:22.080 or like a common theme is this idea of, you know,  working to create change at a larger level. Like,   00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.220 these one-on-one relationships, but  also these like more -- like systems,   00:11:27.660 --> 00:11:35.220 you know, community work. And so that kind  of leads to the next question, which I'll   00:11:35.220 --> 00:11:42.480 start with Ariel, is: How do you -- did you go from being  passionate about a cause to making real change?   00:11:44.400 --> 00:11:48.660 So passion to change -- so like those actions  that you take. So I'll start with Ariel,   00:11:48.660 --> 00:11:53.280 and then we'll just open it up to everyone  else. [ARIEL] Yeah, I'm gonna keep my answer   00:11:53.280 --> 00:11:57.000 probably fairly short because I think you're  going to ask some follow-up questions -- kind   00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:03.240 of more in the nitty-gritty around this  -- but as I'm thinking about, you know,   00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:09.900 what brought me to be passionate about, you know,  these issues around specifically LGBTQ+ inclusion,   00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:20.401 it went from having a personal impact to  more of a kind of a broader impact.   00:12:20.401 --> 00:12:27.900 And in, I feel like -- I think Roberto can probably  speak to this too, since we've kind of traveled   00:12:27.900 --> 00:12:33.480 in the same circles in a lot of our community  advocacy -- there's a lot of passionate people,   00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:42.420 but sometimes that doesn't always get us as  far as we need it to go, right? And so being   00:12:42.420 --> 00:12:46.200 able to shift from being really passionate  about something to actually making change,   00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:55.680 I've found it's been really useful to understand  the environment that you are advocating in,   00:12:55.680 --> 00:13:01.740 right, whether it's a local community  non-profit, or a large health care system,   00:13:01.740 --> 00:13:07.620 or a government agency, because understanding  your environment will then kind of determine   00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:13.560 your strategy or your method  for advocating for that change.   00:13:14.520 --> 00:13:18.000 And I think we're going to talk about a little bit  how to do that, so I'm just gonna leave it there. 00:13:20.180 --> 00:13:25.980 [AVERY] That's great. Mel? [MEL] Yeah, and  kind of on the same page of that, right,   00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:31.080 like Ariel was saying, it's meeting people where  they are right now, right? And I think for me,   00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:38.280 it was I came here and experienced it personally  as myself as a transgender person, and I just   00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:43.740 kind of jumped in blindly, right, but I had some  experiences in the corporate world and managing a   00:13:43.740 --> 00:13:49.140 very diverse group of people in that, so I was  able to have those discussions with different   00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:54.120 folks. But I think meeting people where they are  and understanding where they are -- like if it's a   00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:59.760 church leader or a government official like Ariel  said -- and being able to talk to them in a way   00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:04.860 that makes sense to them and what the need is. You  know, you can really create that network and then   00:14:04.860 --> 00:14:08.940 create the network between all of them so that  you can continue to grow in the community advocacy   00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:15.301 space. I think that's really where it's at and how  you can really get started in doing this   00:14:15.301 --> 00:14:20.009 just understanding where you are, what you're  capable of, and then spreading it from there. 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:27.240 [ROBERTO] I would agree to that, to all  that as well. I think one benefit, though,   00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:33.840 that I see that a lot of -- especially on this  panel -- that I see is lived experience. So   00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:39.480 there's a difference in execution when you want to  make change when you're coming from a background   00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:45.840 of lived experience rather than just, you know,  feeling like you understand how to help someone   00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:52.500 or how to help a community and how to serve a  community. I think that that benefits the overall,   00:14:53.400 --> 00:15:00.120 you know, end point where the success is  the goal to make everything more inclusive,   00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.860 more available, more resourceful,  but doing it in a very ethical way. 00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:18.540 [AVERY] Thank you. Blair, would you like to to chime  in? [BLAIR] I would just say my personal   00:15:18.540 --> 00:15:24.420 experience was we had all the processes  and the systems and the policies in place,   00:15:24.420 --> 00:15:31.980 and we had a lot of the things that would make  our service to the LGBTQ+ community successful,   00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:37.680 but we didn't have was the personal relationships,  and that was kind of surprising to me.   00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:46.620 I had a couple of members of the community at  my last institution that refused to talk to me   00:15:46.620 --> 00:15:53.220 simply because of my profession, and upon learning  more and spending years developing relationships,   00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:58.620 that was the key issue. And so as good  as our systems and our processes were,   00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:05.640 it boils down to relationships and trust, and that  was one of the change points in my career. 00:16:07.760 --> 00:16:14.040 [AVERY] Yeah, that that makes sense,  you know. Yeah, as Ariel said, I mean,   00:16:14.040 --> 00:16:18.780 I I think let's get down into the the kind of the  nuts and bolts -- the nitty-gritty of things. And   00:16:18.780 --> 00:16:24.180 one of the reasons why all of you -- I thought of  -- we all thought of you for these this panel is   00:16:24.180 --> 00:16:30.060 because you're "get shit done" people. You know,  it's like you want to do stuff, you do stuff,   00:16:30.060 --> 00:16:34.740 you make change, and that's why we wanted you all  here. So let's get into that. And I think that's   00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:40.860 one of the real values with this panel and what  we can learn from you all today is first, what are   00:16:40.860 --> 00:16:47.160 some of the strategies and tactics that you use to  build momentum and increase buy-in for your work?   00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.420 And just two quick follow-ups  are going to be in the chat.   00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:57.480 One part of that is how do you convince  funders and find financial support for that  00:16:58.380 --> 00:17:02.700 the work that you want to do? And how do you work  towards justice for historically marginalized,   00:17:02.700 --> 00:17:07.860 minoritized, oppressed communities  without tokenism within that work?   00:17:08.820 --> 00:17:14.280 So those are the two little follow-ups to that  -- or big follow-ups, actually -- but so if you   00:17:14.280 --> 00:17:20.880 could speak to some aspect of that, I'm going to  start with Mel on this one. [MEL] Perfect, yeah,   00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:26.520 I think strategies come from just knowing your  community, right, and you have to understand like   00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:32.160 the people that you're going to be connecting  within that community. So for me, a lot of my   00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:37.560 strategies have been through big events, you know,  so that brings in some of the younger crowd and   00:17:37.560 --> 00:17:42.600 then doing dinners for some of the older crowd to  increase that engagement. And I again I think it   00:17:42.600 --> 00:17:47.580 varies with those different groups, and then the  generosity of people that either identify with   00:17:47.580 --> 00:17:54.000 you, or they identify in a way as an ally, or  want to also help the community because that's   00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:58.020 an easy way when you talk to them that they don't  necessarily have to go in and, to use your words,   00:17:58.020 --> 00:18:03.780 "get the shit done," but they can donate to that  cause, right, so they feel some sort of connection   00:18:03.780 --> 00:18:09.060 to it and they still feel some sort of connection  to that community. So knowing exactly who you need   00:18:09.060 --> 00:18:13.260 to impact in those moments and where you can  get that most impact, and then just creating   00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:17.940 those partnerships and the networking with  those people that don't necessarily want to   00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:24.240 actively participate, but can participate  from a fiscal responsibility standpoint. 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.200 [AVERY] So lots of different ways  for people to participate, yeah,   00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:36.300 that makes sense. Okay anyone else want  to want to answer either the main question   00:18:36.300 --> 00:18:39.300 or any of the follow-ups? [ROBERTO] I  think one of the follow-up questions:   00:18:40.740 --> 00:18:46.500 How you know how do you work towards justice for  historically minoritized, marginalized, oppressed   00:18:46.500 --> 00:18:52.740 communities without tokenism? I think that  plays a big role in what kind of partnerships,   00:18:52.740 --> 00:18:59.220 what kind of funding you're receiving or  incorporating your organization with.    00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:05.700 There's a lot of conflicts with, you know, taking money  from like large account corporations, in a sense   00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:13.380 supporting what they believe to be supportive.  It only happens once a year, you know.   00:19:14.580 --> 00:19:20.820 It's kind of -- it's kind of difficult to  reject that funding, reject that partnership,   00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:31.860 or just have that conversation, but  it needs to be done. If you can engage and   00:19:31.860 --> 00:19:38.400 partner with ethical companies, ethical partners  or community members, your success is better and   00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:43.560 more long-term, so I definitely would advise to  do your research on who you're partnering with,   00:19:43.560 --> 00:19:48.780 how you're partnering, and what ties are you  going to be, you know, entangled in in the future. 00:19:54.600 --> 00:20:00.540 [AVERY] Blair, this might be a good time also  just to talk about the ABLE projects that   00:20:00.540 --> 00:20:05.940 you're working on. I think we'd all love to hear  about that, and perhaps like how you're trying   00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:10.620 to build momentum to support that measure,  and ways that you're trying to be, like,   00:20:10.620 --> 00:20:19.260 actively inclusive in that work. [BLAIR] Right, so  first the ABLE project is from Georgetown Law, and   00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:26.880 in the time that I've discussed it with Avery  and our community, we've since become approved   00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:33.240 as an ABLE agency here in Utah. And what ABLE is  is "Active Bystandership and Law Enforcement,"   00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:40.320 and it basically teaches, and codifies, and  creates policy that officers -- regardless of rank   00:20:40.320 --> 00:20:48.540 can stop inappropriate behavior,  discussion, or action from other officers,   00:20:48.540 --> 00:20:56.040 anytime that they're concerned that it might  be going down a pathway that could lead to harm   00:20:56.040 --> 00:21:05.280 physically or emotionally. And so it just gets  public safety into current times and aligns with   00:21:05.280 --> 00:21:10.800 the medical profession and aviation and all  the other systems where active bystandership   00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:15.780 is a massive piece to their success. Law  enforcement is now moving that direction,   00:21:15.780 --> 00:21:24.720 and we're actually rolling out ABLE Utah training  beginning this month, so we're excited about that.   00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:31.680 One of the things that I just wanted to address  specifically on the second part, of working   00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:38.340 towards justice for historically marginalized  communities, is I learned that on university   00:21:38.340 --> 00:21:44.640 campuses, we have so many resources available  to our students, staff, and faculty that are   00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:49.680 experiencing difficulty, but as soon as they leave  campus or university-owned controlled property,   00:21:50.760 --> 00:21:59.040 it reduces substantially. And what we did and  what I'm working on currently is developing   00:21:59.040 --> 00:22:05.040 relationships with outside public safety groups,  where if a student, staff, faculty member,   00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:10.980 or community member of a university wishes that  or trusts us to handle a criminal investigation   00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:18.060 even if it is off campus, but they'll sign a  waiver release liability form allowing us to   00:22:18.060 --> 00:22:22.800 represent that student, staff, faculty member  in and do the investigation because we have the   00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:29.220 relationship and the services in mind. And we saw  great success in southern Utah with this option,   00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:33.480 whether it was sexual assault or a  marginalized community hate-based crime,   00:22:34.080 --> 00:22:40.413 they trusted us, they knew we would take exerted  effort, and we got those forms signed.   00:22:40.413 --> 00:22:44.820 And we, as police officers in Utah, we have statewide  jurisdictions, so it's not a jurisdictional   00:22:44.820 --> 00:22:49.320 thing -- it's just signing off and getting that  authorization to represent our community members.   00:22:49.320 --> 00:22:54.060 So that's one way that we work towards  representing our minority populations. 00:22:57.560 --> 00:23:05.190 [AVERY] Great, thank you for  that. Roberto? Did you -- 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:12.180 [ROBERTO] Yeah, I mean I could speak to -- like, the way that I would build momentum is,   00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:16.200 like Mel said, you know -- events engage  a lot of different levels of community,   00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:23.220 different resources that you can provide to a  community during a certain part of the year. And   00:23:23.220 --> 00:23:29.280 then in person, you know, engagement, where like  you can talk to someone and you -- eventually   00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:34.980 you'll find a way to relate to that person,  and that can only be done in these events,   00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:40.800 and that's how you meet more community members.  And networking that develops from that ties into   00:23:40.800 --> 00:23:47.040 like even a broader reach of other resources  that you didn't even know existed. So definitely   00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:52.140 networking events, in-person engagement  -- that's how I would build momentum. 00:23:53.360 --> 00:24:01.380 [AVERY] That's great, thank you. Okay,  so I think I haven't directed a question   00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:04.800 initially towards Roberto, right?  You haven't gotten the first one?   00:24:06.060 --> 00:24:13.860 Okay, all right, so I am going to direct this one  towards you and then see how -- and then open it   00:24:13.860 --> 00:24:20.100 up to everyone else. So Sara Ahmed has written  about the need for different types of talk to   00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:26.160 different types of people. We've already kind of  addressed that a little bit here. So for example,   00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:33.000 "happy talk" for folks who don't want to hear  about nihilism or obstacles -- they just want to   00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:39.120 hear the "happy talk," right, of about what you're  doing and want to buy into that part. So there are   00:24:39.120 --> 00:24:43.140 different kinds of communication that you wind up  doing that's effective for different types   00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:48.720 of groups, right -- the student group, versus the  president, versus Logan Police, versus the mayor.   00:24:49.800 --> 00:24:54.420 Ariel, I also had you in mind because you've  talked about like how you talk to different   00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:59.640 groups and highlight things strategically that are  interesting. You know, like you've talked about   00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:06.960 collecting feedback strategically even, so you  can bring that feedback to the next group and say,   00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:12.240 "See what we've collected." So it seems like  there's a lot of strategy and persuasion,   00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:18.420 being nimble, and also just kind of knowing  your audience. How do you navigate all of this   00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:23.940 when you're trying to work towards change? And I  have two follow-ups, but let's just start there.   00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:31.620 How do you navigate those different types  of sometimes competing stakeholders here? 00:25:33.840 --> 00:25:40.020 [ROBERTO] Well, I mean growing up as someone that  had to learn code switching just as a survival   00:25:40.020 --> 00:25:47.220 mechanism, I think it spans the same kind of  process where you need to be able to engage in   00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:52.140 a way that they're going to be receptive to what  you're saying, to what you're basically pitching.   00:25:53.040 --> 00:26:01.560 And I think that even if that's a necessary evil  at times where you have to placate yourself or,   00:26:01.560 --> 00:26:07.380 you know, change the manner that you approach  a certain thing, once you are able to engage   00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:12.900 and talk and start with that process  then at that point become genuine and,   00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:18.000 you know, get to the point that you needed  to. It's an unfortunate process that needs   00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.420 to be done, because in some spaces  you're automatically denied access,   00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:28.980 or even whatever you speak or whatever your  truth is, it's not going to be heard because   00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:35.400 you're not going to be able to be relatable  to them. So. It's an unfortunate process that   00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.620 is necessary at the kind of, you know,  political climate that we're in as well. 00:26:39.620 --> 00:26:42.900 [AVERY] So I'm going to go ahead  and ask the two follow-ups,   00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:46.140 in part because you did answer it  right there -- you mentioned the   00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:50.340 importance of your lived experience  and guiding like your strategies. 00:26:52.080 --> 00:26:55.620 So the follow-up was, how did  you develop a knack for this? And   00:26:55.620 --> 00:26:57.900 it sounds like, I mean, you  want to say more about this,   00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:02.700 but it sounds like part of it is just like  how you've learned to navigate the world -- 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:09.000 works -- it also works in organizing. And the  other part is just could you share examples? 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:16.080 [ROBERTO] Yeah, I mean a perfect example  is, you know, applying for college or   00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:22.620 applying for a job -- if I needed to  get a job where I was behind a desk,   00:27:23.820 --> 00:27:35.280 I would have to practice a certain level  of, like, language or grammar to be correct that   00:27:36.360 --> 00:27:42.180 the interviewer is going to pay attention to me.  So that doesn't that happen just automatically. 00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:47.280 Like, it's not just the fear that anyone lives in  -- like, we have to code switch every day so that   00:27:47.280 --> 00:27:52.500 we're heard and so that we're acknowledged,  and so living that experience growing up got   00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:57.460 me prepared on how to navigate these different  types of levels of conversation as well. 00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:06.240 [AVERY] Thank you. I'll open that up to everyone then  I'll post these two follow-ups in here as well   00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:12.780 so you can address -- so either the follow-ups or  the original question about navigating competing   00:28:12.780 --> 00:28:24.410 audiences. And so Blair, Mel, or Ariel, would you  like to chime in? [ARIEL] I had a thought.    00:28:24.410 --> 00:28:33.420 So, a lot of the work that we do with the transgender  health program is inherently diversity, equity,   00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:42.000 inclusion related right, so there has almost  always been some level of pushback when we try to   00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:51.000 implement initiatives or projects. And so we are  always thinking about our audience and what our   00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:56.820 ask is of that particular audience. And I think  Roberto said it really well around code switching   00:28:56.820 --> 00:29:05.400 and using language that's important to that group  particularly. So an example of that: right now,   00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:11.940 we are moving forward at the university to start  collecting SOGI data -- or Sexual Orientation and   00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:20.798 Gender Identity data -- of all of our patients  and with that comes a lot of feelings.   00:29:20.798 --> 00:29:28.800 And so our presentation to employees is very different than  our presentation to leadership. So our leadership,   00:29:28.800 --> 00:29:34.620 presentation was, "This is a financial investment  for you, this is improving your market share."   00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:40.140 Yes, this is a good moral thing to do and  there's research and data to support that,   00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:45.240 but we had to bring in those other two pieces in  order for them to really kind of hear the message.   00:29:46.080 --> 00:29:51.540 And then for the employees we took out some  of that, right -- they don't really   00:29:51.540 --> 00:29:55.680 care as much about the financial impact to the  institution or the market share stuff, right?   00:29:56.520 --> 00:30:01.260 But what they care about is, "I don't want  a patient to yell at me if I ask them these   00:30:01.260 --> 00:30:07.740 questions," or, "I personally don't feel ready or  confident to ask these questions of patients." And   00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:14.580 so our message to them was, "We're here to support  you in asking these questions, this is why it's   00:30:14.580 --> 00:30:20.340 important XYZ, and these are the resources that we  have available to you so that you feel supported   00:30:20.340 --> 00:30:29.280 in this mission." So same same goal in mind, but  different asks, different language, and different   00:30:30.120 --> 00:30:35.580 framework in how we presented that information  to two different groups to get that going. 00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:45.540 [AVERY] That is so smart -- you know, this idea  of, like, the goal is the same, we want positive,   00:30:45.540 --> 00:30:50.820 good moral change, but we just have to sell it  a little differently to different groups because   00:30:50.820 --> 00:30:56.520 of what they value. So I'm gonna go to Blair --  is that something that you found, like if you're   00:30:56.520 --> 00:31:01.560 talking -- let's take this ABLE project -- you're  talking to administration, you're also talking to   00:31:01.560 --> 00:31:06.540 student groups, you're also talking to other  members of law enforcement. Did you find that this   00:31:06.540 --> 00:31:13.200 is kind of similar practice on your end or was  it a little different? [BLAIR] I think public   00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:22.920 safety is unique in that we are bound by policy  and procedure to remain neutral politically,   00:31:24.540 --> 00:31:29.820 so no matter what it is we fall back on what  is their constitutional right as a group,   00:31:29.820 --> 00:31:38.220 as an individual, as a business, or a  school and that's the mindset that we   00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:44.220 have to constantly remind whoever we're speaking  to about whatever it is we're seeking to do.   00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:53.640 I think we focus heavily on being aware of  implicit bias and all the other pieces to what   00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.420 we do, but ultimately it comes down to black  and white -- we are neutral politically and   00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:07.800 we try to show the positives and the concerns  from whatever standpoint we're presenting to   00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:15.120 and that's hard to remind everybody that we  can't pick a side -- it's simply the law.   00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:22.800 And as bad as that is -- I mean I I spent four  years with the name change from Dixie State to   00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:32.580 Utah Tech, and recently that area was highlighted  once again for a public show, a drag show that was   00:32:32.580 --> 00:32:37.740 held in a public park and there's lawsuits and all  kinds of stuff -- and ultimately the question is,   00:32:38.280 --> 00:32:43.560 what are the constitutional rights? So that's the  perspective we approach every discussion from. 00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:50.820 [AVERY] All right, thank you. Yes,  Mel, do you wanna -- [MEL] Yeah   00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:57.480 sorry, I really think that, you know, just like  Ariel, Roberto, and Blair said, I think it's   00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.760 just finding that commonality, right? And for me  it was doing a lot of research, because coming   00:33:02.760 --> 00:33:08.940 from Boston where it's so culturally diverse  to here where, I mean, everybody -- just look   00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:13.260 outside of your window. If you're in Logan, you  know it's not as culturally diverse. You know,   00:33:13.260 --> 00:33:16.080 it's doing a lot of research, too, on the  people that I was going to be talking to,   00:33:16.860 --> 00:33:20.940 doing a lot of research and where they were, where  they were coming from. And then when you have   00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:25.500 those conversations, being open to those questions  and what they have to say. And for me, it was just   00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:31.200 about leading with transparency: This is who  I am. Ask what you want to ask. You know, when   00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.220 you're talking to someone who's more political,  we're coming with facts. We do a lot of trainings   00:33:35.820 --> 00:33:41.220 in some of the local businesses here, and then  it's coming with how can diversity and inclusion   00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:48.720 actually create more equity for you, how can that  create a better business plan for you, and how can   00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.740 that bring in more money to your organization?  When we're out with students, we're talking   00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:56.640 about how can you be more accepting of your  peers and have conversations that are open and   00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:01.920 not close them off. It's just being nimble, being  transparent, and just being open and understanding   00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.600 exactly where they're coming from and what makes  them tick. If data makes them tick, come with the   00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:12.840 data, right, because they're going to understand  that data more. And say, "Well, if I hire XYZ this   00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:17.160 is where I'm going to go," right? "If I create  this policy or that policy, this is how this is   00:34:17.160 --> 00:34:22.320 going to grow," and just really understanding  who you're talking to and then how to grow that   00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.600 relationship with them. I think that's definitely  the best way to have those conversations. 00:34:29.660 --> 00:34:34.800 [AVERY] Yeah -- [ARIEL] Can I just -- oh sorry, go ahead  [AVERY] no you -- [ARIEL] No, you   00:34:36.600 --> 00:34:40.800 [ARIEL] Just as Mel was talking I was  like, you know what? That I I think I've   00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:47.100 come across this many times, and I don't  know if any of y'all have but sometimes   00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:50.880 when we're really passionate about this work,  we want to be the ones to speak to it, right?   00:34:51.780 --> 00:35:00.300 And I found that sometimes our voice is not  necessarily the one that's going to be heard. So   00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:07.080 as we have some of these conversations, it's been  helpful to identify allies and executive sponsors   00:35:07.080 --> 00:35:13.860 to have those conversations on behalf of us, as  long as they're kind of reiterating the message.   00:35:15.660 --> 00:35:22.200 Because we found that sometimes when it's said  by someone else, where maybe there's a pure   00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:27.960 relationship or some other relationship  that connects that group to the message,   00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:36.780 it is just received in a completely different  way, so [ROBERTO] And that's also one of those   00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:40.680 things where it's really really difficult,  Ariel -- it was like you have to navigate   00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:48.120 to do that and have that representation without  tokenizing them, and so that's one of those   00:35:48.120 --> 00:35:53.760 dances where if you go too far to one way or the  other, then are you really lining up with what   00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.780 you're supposed to be, you know, saying that  you're doing and improving in the communities?   00:35:58.740 --> 00:36:02.100 But yeah, having someone that represents  the community that you want to engage in   00:36:02.100 --> 00:36:07.620 is a very very great way to do it -- it's  just a difficult process sometimes when you,   00:36:07.620 --> 00:36:10.320 have to be careful not  to tokenize someone for doing so. 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:23.100 [Avery] Yeah I'm interested in this idea too, about --  I'm going to use the word like 'deputize' someone   00:36:24.600 --> 00:36:33.960 to -- I think you know, like a person in power  with a different positionality -- if they're   00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:40.200 on message with you, being able to speak instead  of you. Is that kind of like what you're   00:36:40.200 --> 00:36:47.460 saying, Ariel? Like a person, like a supervisor  or something or a different expert, maybe, to go   00:36:47.460 --> 00:36:55.260 speak to a person and help facilitate change? Like  is that what you're kind of saying? [ARIEL] Yeah,   00:36:55.260 --> 00:37:01.620 so for example with this SOGI project that I've  been talking about, I've been leading the project,   00:37:01.620 --> 00:37:07.440 but as we've been talking to more leadership and  like the CEOs of the hospital, we've been actually   00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:13.560 engaging like the Chief Operating Officer and  the Chief Executive Officer who are kind of more   00:37:13.560 --> 00:37:19.500 responsible for the culture of the organization  to push forward the project and the message. So   00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:27.960 I think when Roberto was speaking about this,  it sounded more from like a community advocacy   00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:35.220 perspective, where this was kind of a project  perspective with the same kind of cultural impact.   00:37:36.120 --> 00:37:40.200 But there's less of that risk of  misrepresenting the community when   00:37:40.200 --> 00:37:46.440 the message is more around, "This is a project  that our institution is initiating around DEI."   00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:53.760 But Roberto, please chime in if that's incorrect.  [ROBERTO] No yeah, I definitely -- I see the   00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:00.300 difference now. And you're right, that's what  I was more -- is more community engagement and   00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:06.940 community involvement leadership, just how to make  that be that bridge between communities.   00:38:07.620 --> 00:38:15.240 [AVERY] Yeah I I think what I'm hearing from from both  of you -- and please correct me if I'm wrong,   00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:19.080 or I'm off the mark here, or I'm missing  something, but I'm going to translate this   00:38:19.080 --> 00:38:27.000 into university settings -- is that it sounds  like those of us who have power and have the   00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:32.820 the access to power and decision-makers  need to make sure that we're advocating   00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:38.640 when other folks with with less power,  less visibility, less access can't.   00:38:39.540 --> 00:38:45.840 Right? So as a director of the Center as an  associate tenured professor, I need to make   00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:53.220 sure that power and privilege that grants me,  I'm using it to make -- and access that it grants   00:38:53.220 --> 00:39:01.860 me -- that I'm using that to act to advocate for  positive change and, like, represent the concerns   00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:07.080 of folks who are untenured, who have less power,  who have, right, less access. Am I saying that? 00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:14.040 [AVERY ] Yeah, so I I totally agree.  Right, so that's -- this is where within it's like   00:39:14.040 --> 00:39:21.420 a university setting, like you know me and Rachel,  who also has tenure, and Blair is Chief of Police,   00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.380 and Latrisha as Program Coordinator --  we have power, then, to be able to to   00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:33.120 push for change. And embracing that and  not shying away from it sounds like it's   00:39:33.120 --> 00:39:38.460 a really important part to institutionalizing  change -- into pushing change forward through   00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:43.440 and through the system. I mean, would you like  to speak to that? Am I on board with that, or   00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.280 correct me if I'm wrong or  reading you -- reading it wrong. 00:39:48.500 --> 00:39:54.300 [ROBERTO] I think it's -- I think you're right.  I mean, it's definitely, you know, acknowledging   00:39:54.300 --> 00:40:02.160 your privilege and using it for a good cause  external. [AVERY] Yeah so Blair, Rachel, Latrisha,   00:40:02.160 --> 00:40:07.620 do you guys want to speak to that -- what do  you think about what I said? [BLAIR] I'll just   00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:17.100 throw in my idea -- is true power in leadership  positions is having the ability to share that   00:40:17.100 --> 00:40:21.180 influence and that ability to make decisions  on behalf of the community with the community.   00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:27.000 Prime example that I'm currently working  on is a professional standard review board   00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.800 here at Utah State University made up  of our community members, where not only   00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:36.960 do they see and understand how their public  safety department serves and protects them,   00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:43.140 but they also guide and direct our training, they  look at our hiring standards and our demographics   00:40:43.140 --> 00:40:49.380 and a number of other pieces, and they help  me understand what safety looks like here on   00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:55.800 campus and how we can reach that as a community.  And so that's where I see the true power. 00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:02.700 [AVERY] So if I can kind of repeat what I think  you said, it's like it's working in relationship   00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:09.480 with these communities, not speaking on behalf  of them, but working with them and amplifying   00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.560 their concerns and helping you to understand  their concerns. Am I correct about that, Blair?  00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:19.560 [BLAIR} Not only understanding their concerns, but  helping work mutually towards resolutions?   00:41:20.520 --> 00:41:26.280 For me, I need to know what's wanted,  I need to know what kind of training and what   00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:33.720 kind of public servant the community wants and  expects if we're going to truly provide safety   00:41:33.720 --> 00:41:38.280 and security on campus -- that's what I'm  looking for. [AVERY] Wow, thank you. Yeah,   00:41:39.600 --> 00:41:46.080 what about you, Latrisha, what do you think? I  mean, you know, you've got this level of access   00:41:46.080 --> 00:41:51.060 and privilege now too, and we both have kind  of been put in this role. What do you think?   00:41:51.060 --> 00:41:55.080 Does this resonate with you? [LATRISHA] Well  absolutely. I mean, I definitely think we have   00:41:56.520 --> 00:42:03.600 a responsibility to use our privileges  and our power to further the voice of the   00:42:03.600 --> 00:42:10.800 people that need it and in a way that they're  wanting it done. And that includes -- I mean,   00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:16.680 that's everything from, you know, showing up  for voting, to how we spend our money, you know,   00:42:16.680 --> 00:42:24.660 because we live in a capitalist society, and how  we spend our money is a real actionable way to   00:42:24.660 --> 00:42:29.100 show our activism and to say, like, "This is --  I'm going to support these things by spending   00:42:29.100 --> 00:42:35.760 my money," just whether we're ordering books or,  you know, lunch. You know, like those things we   00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:42.900 can thoughtfully spend them in a way that supports  the communities that we're trying to advocate for. 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:51.420 [AVERY] Right, yeah. This has been really helpful  in thinking about like a theory of change   00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:58.380 within this panel, pulling off from all of your  expertise and positionalities here to kind of   00:42:58.380 --> 00:43:04.920 think about what this needs to look like, and, you  know, also thinking about this intersectionally   00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:10.200 to think we also may have things that put us at a  disadvantage in certain situations. I'm thinking,   00:43:10.200 --> 00:43:15.240 Latrisha, here about your position also as a  student -- you're Program Coordinator, you're   00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:20.820 also a student, right, and others may share those  kinds of -- like, I have this access in this way,   00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:26.580 but I also have this disadvantage in this other  way, and so it is never like this flat, just   00:43:26.580 --> 00:43:33.540 completely monolithic, but privilege is never like  that, you know, it's always kind of contextual and   00:43:34.680 --> 00:43:37.620 multifaceted. [LATRISHA] Yeah, it's  like -- and I do believe as students,   00:43:37.620 --> 00:43:43.080 we have a lot that's more of an advantage than  faculty and staff, because faculty and staff,   00:43:43.080 --> 00:43:49.800 we do have to abide by certain things. We're  students, we have a lot more freedom to advocate   00:43:49.800 --> 00:44:00.300 for things, so, and the student always trumps  the role here, so. [AVERY] Very great. Okay,   00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:06.120 all right, so yeah I wanna -- I have one last  question, and then we have some follow-ups that   00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:14.880 we can we can dive into after we're done  with this formal, work through some Q&A.   00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:21.960 I'm just going to open this up to everyone: What  about this work gives you joy? Right, we've been   00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:27.060 working through this -- some of the negatives  and some of the positives of this work, but I   00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:31.680 want to ask, like, what refills your cup every  day? What gives you joy about this work? 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:39.300 [ROBERTO] I would like to say what gives me joy  from the work that I've seen happen around me   00:44:39.300 --> 00:44:45.120 and the work that we've done together  is when my children have conversations   00:44:45.120 --> 00:44:49.260 that I can hear on how they're being  an ally or they're being supportive.   00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:56.580 Seeing that work or that those teachings in  action in the youth that I work with or in   00:44:56.580 --> 00:45:01.680 communities that I work with -- that brings  me joy, because it means that I can see the   00:45:01.680 --> 00:45:08.520 change even if it's minimal -- a simple  conversation or extreme, where we've made   00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:16.380 a massive change in a city or something -- but  seeing that develop, it's what brings me joy. 00:45:17.120 --> 00:45:23.880 [MEL] I think for me obviously like that  direct impact on the community, right,   00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.080 when you get that "thank you," or you see  that you've helped someone get to healthcare,   00:45:28.080 --> 00:45:35.160 or you know that you're providing someone a warm  place to sleep at night. But it's not just that,   00:45:35.160 --> 00:45:39.420 right, it's also the surprising pockets when  you're out in the community and -- kind of like   00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:42.780 Roberto said -- like hearing other people  have those conversations around allyship,   00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:48.480 or how they're building things more inclusively,  or to see the spark of joy people have about this   00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:53.760 warming center and being able to like genuinely  help people that are, you know, experiencing   00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:00.780 housing insecurity. And I can't tell you, even as  an LGBTQ+ person and thinking that it was so dark   00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:06.480 here in Logan, like, the surprising pockets around  here. And every day I'm surprised by someone or   00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:12.000 some organization that I may have thought ill  of in the past, or maybe they weren't as open,   00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.860 and then they're open, right, so seeing that  progress in this community that we have here in   00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:21.780 Logan and seeing how open people actually are  is -- I mean, that sparks me every day.    00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:26.280 Everyday I'm just like, this is good,  and everybody wants to do good, right? And I   00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:31.020 think that seeing that change and that turnaround  has been amazing and that's why I keep doing it. 00:46:31.892 --> 00:46:38.225 [SILENCE} 00:46:39.255 --> 00:46:44.220 [ARIEL] There's a lot about this work that I  think is incredibly frustrating, but I think   00:46:44.220 --> 00:46:51.600 at the same time, Avery, like you're saying,  the joy far outweighs those frustrations   00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:57.420 as long as we have our social support networks  to lean on, so that we're not getting burned out.   00:46:59.220 --> 00:47:05.640 For me, when I am able to see patient comments  that come through -- like we have these patient   00:47:05.640 --> 00:47:11.040 feedback surveys that come through U of U  health, and when I see things that pop out around   00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:15.840 "this was the first time that I've had  a provider ask about my chosen name and   00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:22.560 pronouns in a healthcare encounter and it was  amazing," right, or you know, when we deliver   00:47:22.560 --> 00:47:26.760 these trainings to providers and healthcare  staff on how to better serve trans folks,   00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:34.560 having the providers say, "this is going to help  me change my practice, this is going to help me   00:47:34.560 --> 00:47:42.360 make the changes I need to in this space," and  being able to see the our projects finally   00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:47.820 come to fruition, right. I started this position  three years ago and there are things that we were   00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:52.620 having conversations about back then that  were just not moving because the culture   00:47:53.460 --> 00:48:01.440 both in Utah at the university and in general was  just not ready for, but now three years later,   00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:09.120 we're having so much more momentum on these  issues. So sometimes it has definitely felt like a   00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:15.720 waiting game, but seeing that change now and being  able to see, like, these projects finally get to a   00:48:15.720 --> 00:48:22.860 point where they're moving is so heartwarming.  It's so encouraging to make me feel like, yes,   00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:27.660 okay, we could keep doing this, right?  So yeah, that's what brings me joy. 00:48:28.417 --> 00:48:32.240 [SILENCE] 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:43.080 [AVERY] Blair, do you like to talk about your joy? [BLAIR]  Sure. What I find joy in is when my community 00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:51.300 speaks up on behalf of the relationships of public  safety without us having to speak to a specific   00:48:51.300 --> 00:49:03.000 point or a specific issue, knowing that we work to  represent and make safety a priority for everyone.   00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:09.960 It's almost weird, but I find joy  in higher reporting numbers of   00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:17.280 crime, because our marginalized and minority  populations feel comfortable, and I see [it] as a   00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:23.100 barometer of trust if we're seeing increased  reporting -- then there's a trust that we'll   00:49:23.100 --> 00:49:29.400 do the right thing and represent victims of  crime regardless of their status or standing,   00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:35.760 and that's something that brings me joy. So  I I like seeing those pieces of progress. 00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:44.220 [AVERY] Fantastic. You guys all just make  my heart so happy hearing all of this.   00:49:45.060 --> 00:49:48.480 We have, you know -- we still have some time  and I want to just give another plug for Q&A.   00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:55.260 So in the meantime, I want to, I wanted to ask  just to open it up to say what questions do you   00:49:55.260 --> 00:50:00.120 have for each other? I'd love to hear if you  want to -- if you wanted to do some inter-panel   00:50:00.120 --> 00:50:07.560 questioning here too. And we'll -- did you  guys want to ask each other any questions?   00:50:07.560 --> 00:50:14.340 I mean we're all doing community work here, so  let's just open it up. [ROBERTO] I had a question for Blair.   00:50:14.340 --> 00:50:22.140 Do you think that your model and the  objectives that you're putting in place right now   00:50:22.140 --> 00:50:28.320 will expand? Do you think it's something that we  can like do more of? Because it's definitely an   00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:33.180 amazing thing that you're doing and engaging and  understanding the community that you're serving.   00:50:33.180 --> 00:50:39.300 I just I see a lot of lack of that all over the  state, and I'm hoping that if it works for you,   00:50:39.300 --> 00:50:46.680 that it should work for everyone else.  [BLAIR] I appreciate that, Roberto.  00:50:46.680 --> 00:50:55.440 I felt and saw personally a lot of success over  the past four years at my last Institution,   00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.640 and I believe it's possible on  a statewide, nationwide level.   00:50:59.640 --> 00:51:05.400 Falling back on basic principles of  public safety and community engagement,   00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:10.200 I believe in order for it to be successful  on a statewide level -- which I've had   00:51:10.200 --> 00:51:16.622 multiple conversations about -- it needs to be  looked at and reviewed by groups like    00:51:16.622 --> 00:51:24.360 the Utah System of Higher Education that oversees   all institutions and provides basic guidelines,   00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:30.000 and that's something that we've discussed  and worked towards, but obviously   00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:35.580 there's power in numbers and there's an  opportunity for all of us to work together   00:51:35.580 --> 00:51:41.400 showing that this is what is wanted, not only  in university communities but across the state. 00:51:41.938 --> 00:51:51.168 [SILENCE 00:51:51.600 --> 00:51:54.900 Did that answer your question, Roberto? [ROBERTO] Yes,   00:51:54.900 --> 00:52:00.880 thank you, that definitely did. I was hoping  for something like that, so thank you. 00:52:01.680 --> 00:52:05.220 [AVERY] We do have a question from Q&A  and this is also for Blair.   00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:11.760 So as you focus on constitutional rights, how do  you or will you incorporate or reckon with recent   00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:18.540 and potential future decisions that chip away  at constitutional rights of marginalized people? 00:52:20.240 --> 00:52:29.040 [BLAIR] That is a very individual and difficult  question, and it's something that I hope   00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:38.220 every person in public safety asks themselves.  The reality is the model and the understanding of   00:52:38.220 --> 00:52:44.460 public safety as I see it, is we need to know and  understand what the community wants if there ever   00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:50.220 comes a point where being -- where I personally  am being asked to do something that is contrary   00:52:50.220 --> 00:52:57.540 to what my community members want, or stands  against my personal ethics, morals, and values,   00:52:57.540 --> 00:53:06.720 and that's my indication that I'm not right for  this position. One of the key opportunities that   00:53:06.720 --> 00:53:12.060 I had when I went to the FBI National Academy is  it's mandated as one of our learning curriculums   00:53:12.060 --> 00:53:18.900 at Quantico that you attend the Holocaust Museum  and understand how it got to that point so 00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:23.280 [PAUSE] 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:30.120 I think every -- for me myself, I've asked those  questions of what, where are my breaking points,   00:53:30.120 --> 00:53:36.660 and what am I not willing to stand up for, and  I have those answers. It's not something that   00:53:36.660 --> 00:53:42.000 I don't know and can't answer but, if I ever  get asked to violate somebody's constitutional   00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:48.060 rights and it violates their trust in me or  the community, it's not no longer something   00:53:48.060 --> 00:53:53.460 I'm willing to participate in, and I'm done  that day. Hopefully that answers the question. 00:53:55.640 --> 00:54:02.760 [AVERY] Yeah, I think that's a good answer.  I think, I hope all of us can know where that   00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:10.560 line is, say "that's it for me." Yeah, it's good.  Any other questions? Oh okay, I've got some Q&A. 00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:15.780 [PAUSE] 00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:21.960 So I guess this is to anybody. What's one  thing you wish that you knew before you   00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:29.280 started this work? If you had one takeaway or  piece of advice for others who want to engage   00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.320 in community activism, what would  it be? I'll post this in the chat. 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:43.740 [MEL] For me, I think I wish I would have known  almost how addictive it would become to continue   00:54:43.740 --> 00:54:48.060 to fight this fight, right? Like I thought I was  going to come out here and just do stuff for this   00:54:48.060 --> 00:54:54.060 LGBTQIA+ community and specifically the trans  community, and now I'm building warming centers,   00:54:54.060 --> 00:54:58.560 and connecting on mental health, and trying to  create a health center here that is inclusive   00:54:58.560 --> 00:55:03.720 for everyone in the community regardless of  the background that they come from. So yeah,   00:55:03.720 --> 00:55:08.220 I wish I would have known that, and my piece of  advice would be to pace yourself and to know that   00:55:08.220 --> 00:55:11.160 sometimes you're going to be disappointed.  And just like Ariel said, there's going to   00:55:11.160 --> 00:55:16.320 be a lot of frustrations, but you know who you  are, and just like Blair said, know where your   00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:21.840 line is and know yourself, and be able to pick  yourself up every day and just keep doing it,   00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:26.700 and if you need that break, take that break, and  know your boundaries. I think that that's the best   00:55:26.700 --> 00:55:31.020 thing you can do for yourself, and practice your  own mental health, whatever that looks like for   00:55:31.020 --> 00:55:35.820 you -- to keep yourself mentally healthy so that  you really can be the strength for some of these   00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:40.200 people in the community and with the community,  because that's that's exactly what is needed. 00:55:40.522 --> 00:55:45.000 [SILENCE] 00:55:45.420 --> 00:55:51.240 [ROBERTO] Yeah, I definitely would agree on that. Like,  I would -- I think I would have benefited to,   00:55:52.080 --> 00:55:56.160 you know, in many parts of my life  in the community, working with the community,   00:55:56.160 --> 00:56:00.960 if I would have known how to set that boundary  of when okay, it's time to sleep, it's time to rest,   00:56:02.340 --> 00:56:09.480 this can wait for tomorrow -- because it does,  it leads to easily like a burnout. It leads to   00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:15.120 frustrations, and the outcome is not as good as  when you're rested, so set that boundary   00:56:15.780 --> 00:56:17.640 and respect it because you'll need it. 00:56:18.312 --> 00:56:21.612 [SILENCE] 00:56:21.903 --> 00:56:30.240 [ARIEL] I will second, third, fourth all the  boundary speak, because I think that is literally   00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:34.260 probably the most important. Because without  those boundaries, we will not be able to sustain   00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:40.620 this work. Especially if you are a member of the  community that you are trying to advocate for,   00:56:40.620 --> 00:56:47.160 there's a lot of dual roles going on  there, and it can feel overwhelming.   00:56:48.240 --> 00:56:55.080 I think for me in the work that we we  do at the university and in general,   00:56:55.080 --> 00:56:59.580 I feel like I'm going to apply this to other  places now that I'm learning this more, but   00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:07.860 engaging those executive sponsors and allies  sooner in the process, I think that would have   00:57:07.860 --> 00:57:15.000 helped our projects move forward a lot quicker and  we could have gotten their buy-in sooner, which   00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:20.280 would have helped us kind of make the changes  we needed to to get this off the ground quicker.   00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:27.240 And sometimes you don't have any control over  that, right? But sometimes just knowing that you   00:57:27.240 --> 00:57:30.960 might need to start reaching out to those folks  a little bit earlier on in the process and just   00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:38.820 having conversations I think is something I'm  going to be doing moving forward a lot more. 00:57:39.134 --> 00:57:42.885 [SILENCE] 00:57:43.231 --> 00:57:50.640 [AVERY] Ariel, I keep seeing these signs on the road that say, "Everyone's welcome."  from the U 00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:55.920 Did you have anything to do with that, because the  designs are amazing! [ARIEL] That was our original   00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:03.780 campaign three years ago that we wanted to  implement at UHealth, and what's happened actually   00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:09.660 is that -- so health plans took that messaging  and incorporated it into their campaign for the   00:58:09.660 --> 00:58:16.560 health plans, and now UHealth is incorporating  it at a much larger level, so instead of a sign   00:58:16.560 --> 00:58:22.860 that says we welcome all, you know, identities,  expressions, religions, political, whatever,   00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:29.640 it's going to be part of the buildings themselves  so there's going to be a whole aesthetic in each   00:58:29.640 --> 00:58:35.880 of the clinics that is kind of sending this  message along with a campaign on if you have a   00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:42.420 poor experience, here's how you can let us know.  So it's grown since then, but I'm so glad to see   00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:48.780 it on billboards. [AVERY] That's incredible. What  great messaging. I love it -- it always makes me   00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:54.720 smile every time I see it those billboards.  Blair, what about you? Do you want to share   00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:01.980 something that you wish that you'd known when you  started or one takeaway piece of advice for other   00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:08.640 people who want to do this work? [BLAIR] Sure,, I  think it's in public safety as well as activism,   00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:15.780 you have to be very aware of your own  physical, emotional, and mental needs.   00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:22.440 A lot of the protectors are the ones  that are unfortunately dying by suicide,   00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:28.320 and so it's a plug and a shoutout to say,  you know what? It's okay not being okay,   00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:36.300 and talk to somebody. And that was never discussed  for years in my profession and it's just coming to   00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:42.480 light. It spreads not just public safety, but  a lot of different things including activism,   00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:48.300 so please speak up, speak out, and  realize we're all not okay sometimes. 00:59:50.240 --> 00:59:55.800 [AVERY] Oh thanks for sharing that -- thanks for  sharing that message, Blair. I think it's really   00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:03.360 important to remember and get permission to feel  that you're not okay. It's okay to not be okay,   01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:11.220 as you said, sometimes. So are there any other  questions for the panelists or any questions   01:00:11.220 --> 01:00:14.520 the panelists may have for each other?  [LATRISHA] I have a question for Blair.   01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.260 Blair, you're trying to make  change with inside the system,   01:00:19.260 --> 01:00:23.580 which can be really difficult. How have  you been received by, like, your fellow law   01:00:23.580 --> 01:00:28.500 enforcement officers regarding the ABLE project  and the change that you're trying to implement? 01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:34.320 [BLAIR] Change is hard sometimes.   01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:41.700 I have actually received -- it's almost  a polar opposite experience of my last   01:00:41.700 --> 01:00:48.400 institution. Change was easily accepted  internally and a little more difficult on -- 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.820 [PAUSE] 01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:56.760 and here I feel a huge support on the community  level, and internally there's a lot of questions,   01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:03.900 which means there's a lot of opportunity for  training and opportunity to show not just   01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:10.860 tell what the benefits of ABLE and other  projects are, and I'm excited for that.   01:01:11.640 --> 01:01:18.360 I think the majority of our public safety  members across the country want to do good,   01:01:19.080 --> 01:01:25.140 but they're also very leery and suspicious, and  so it takes a little extra explanation and time,   01:01:25.140 --> 01:01:31.740 and it's on me and other leaders in public  safety to take that time and explain the why   01:01:31.740 --> 01:01:37.620 behind it -- not just implementing a program,  but explaining this is a culture change;   01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:45.720 it's a complete 180 from what we've done for  20, 30 years. And so be patient with us,   01:01:45.720 --> 01:01:51.300 Latrisha, and we'll uh we'll get through it.  [LATRISHA] Thank you, I appreciate that. 01:01:51.793 --> 01:01:54.706 [SILENCE] 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:57.220 [AVERY] Other questions? 01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:06.780 If not, we're -- I think we're going to use this  time to to wrap up. We do have some resources to   01:02:06.780 --> 01:02:10.860 share. We have a section, a place, a link for  feedback -- Rachel shared a link for feedback.   01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:19.500 We have some resources at the -- if you click that  link, there's panelists included resources for us,   01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:26.100 and we have some we're working on -- some more  future panels, stay tuned for that. I want to   01:02:26.100 --> 01:02:31.680 just thank all the panelists that were here.  Oh my gosh, what a wealth of knowledge -- just   01:02:31.680 --> 01:02:41.880 absolutely fantastic. I learned so much of  applied, boots on the ground, "get shit done" --   01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:45.720 just what a wealth of knowledge. Thank you  so much for all you've contributed today and   01:02:45.720 --> 01:02:51.180 taking your time out of your Friday to share that  with us. Thanks for everyone who joined us and   01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:56.880 I hope everyone has a great Friday. Look  for the video's gonna be posted on   01:02:57.693 --> 01:03:03.900 the link and you can share widely, so thanks  again everyone. [ROBERTO] Thanks for having us. 01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:08.520 [AVERY] Thank you. [MEL] Yes, thank you for having us [AVERY] I appreciate it all.